I thought it'd be easier lumping these all together

At the minute we've got a series of problems that we don't really know how to solve.

• Lane 3 - the T-Band is too far over to the right, leaving about a 4 inch gap between the ball door and the end of the T-band. Adjusting the bolts either side of the T-band doesn't seem to do much, neither does raising the bolt that's connected to the green belt and V-belt that drives the T-band. We recently changed the T-band to a newer one, because the bolts had sheered connecting lane 3 to lane 2
• Lane 11 - the green belt that moves the pins into pin station 7 keeps snapping at the weld. We've tried sanding the edges down, then heating up, then pressing them together. Not too hard. At most the weld lasts a few months before going again.
• Lanes 3 + 4 - recently they've been re-racking a full set of pins on the second shot, lane 4 not so much, but lane 3 definitely more regularly.
• Lanes 13 + 14 + 16 - Regularly don't rack the correct pins on the second shot. It's a bit annoying because these are league lanes.
• between lanes 9-16 - we get a PO error on the scoring computer and the screen above the lanes says something along the lines of, "please enter number of standing pins" is there anyway to get rid of that? I've tried going into the nexgen box and changing the PO setting to ignore PO calls

at the minute we don't have a clue how to sort these, we're relatively inexperienced, we can sort out like 90% of problems but this is the 10% that gets us stuck

Cheers in advance!

I'll take a stab at a few.
Lane 3 might have one of the belt guides outside the T-band at the front roller.
On welding the urethane belts, you have to see the ends melting before you bring them together with the clamp. You cannot allow the iron to touch the belt, the heat has to migrate into the urethane without the sudden heating the touching of the iron causes. The welded joint bulge should extend at least 25% wider than the belt which will tell you you've transfered the heat a good way into the ends before they were brought together. Trim them after 20 minutes or so of cooling. Don't stretch them onto the pulleys for 30 minutes.
I think most of the other issues will be found in pin detector adjustments or the wiring to the associated switches. Squeeze the female molex connectors with pliers on the ones with issues so they'll make a better connection.

I will give it a try


1. lane 3 could be a couple of issues or combination of them
1. roller tention to tight
2. one of the plastic rollers inside TB missing or
clip not holding it in place
3. Pin Deflector Board jamed against Accelorator box
forcing ot the side

2. Lane 3 Green belt weld Practice welding more a poor weld
will beack

3. Resetting full rack on second ball
This is a scoreing computor issue
A complete shutdown of entire system needs to be done
eery week or 2 this means all slaves on back wall,
clients on front counter and back office then restarted
with slaves and machines first

4 Lanes 13-14-16 see above

5. Lanes 9 -16 is a setting on scoring computer

HOpe this helps

Strange you say that, a few weeks ago we had 8 lanes out. A scoring computer went down. Our area tech came up and all 24 lanes were taken out, we've had a series of bugs ever since then, bumpers not working, etc

I'll let the guys at work know, Monday night is our quietest night/best night to try stuff like full restarts on.

cheers for the advice, I'll let you know how I get on

Stu

Lane 3--as stated, make sure the tracking rollers are both INSIDE the t-band. Just take a flashlight and look under the t-band. It will be pretty obvious. Also as stated make sure there is no physical bind from pin feed deflectors.

Lane 11--see Ted's advice. You don't want to heat the polycord for too long as you will damage the material and it won't hold well.

Lanes 3+4--what is the scorer showing? Is there any score at all?

Lanes 13+14+16--I'm a little confused (nothing shocking there). Are you saying that on first ball pins are getting dropped by the tongs? Or that all ten pins aren't being set on first ball?

Lanes 9-16--Without looking at your profile I'm going to assume you have Vector scoring since you're having problems with the second bank of eight machines. I would give the slave a good once over for those eight lanes. Is it possible to have different settings on different slaves? I thought the settings were universal?

Lanes 3+4 - if someone scores a 3 it'll show their first score, say it was a 9, but it'd re-rack a full set of pins for their second shot.

Lane 4 is doing it far less than lane three but it's still once or twice too often.

Lanes 13 + 14 + 16 - From the sounds of it, it seems like the spotting tongs are dropping them. However, I'm not entirely sure that's all there is to it... I've only ever seen it happen once and the pins were just swept away

Lanes 9-16 - Yeh, we've got Vector scoring. Like I said, I changed the settings on the nexgen consoles to ignore PO errors, however it hasn't worked. I've rebooted the scoring computers, also.

We have had the same issues that you are having on 9-16 on he PO errors their is also a setting for the slave that needs to be changed from the front counter or the back office either will work.

Also you have to remember that the scoring computer overides the nexgen. B's computers for the scoring system do not have a large enough RAM and just like your home computer if you never shut it down it will lock up or act strange this is what the problem is you need to do a complete shut down on every computer to clear out the RAM to resolve the small issues that come up.

The daily reboote is not enough on the slaves they do need to completly shut down to clear them up

I think I fixed this when I was in tonight. Let me know as I'm not in again until Thursday night.

Lanes 9-16, Sounds like dirty pins and pin decks to me, error PO only appears when table cant get down to detect pins (Out-Of-Range) if a pin slides off its pin spot and is still standing, the table ends up resting on top of pin during the detection cycle, it can only be because of dirty pindecks or pin bases

Correct me if i'm wrong here, but most, if not all of bowlings governing bodies around the globe have rules (blah blah blah) which state that in tournament or league play if a bowler leaves an Out-Of-Range(PO) all dead would must be cleared and pin left un-touched for the 2nd ball, scoring must be entered manually obviously, hence the "select which pins are standing" message you receive on your scorer
If i'm correct in these rules i wouldnt be changing the settings in your nexgen box

like i said, could be wrong, but thats my 5 cents worth

Cheers,
Mick

this was sorted ages ago. We have occasional PO errors across all 24 lanes, but the ones on 9-16 actually made the machine shut itself off when it came up with the PO error code.

It was the scoring computer, since lanes 1-8 are scoring computer 1, 9-16 computer 2, and 17-24 computer 3. It just seemed far more likely a scoring computer error than something like dirty pin decks, because the error codes were only shutting down machines on 9-16, not 1-8/17-24

We had a lot of glitches in the system when all 24 lanes were disconnected/reconnected, thankfully they've all been sorted now. I wish it was something as simple as dirty pindecks at the time though aha

cheers anyway

Stu