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  • The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsetters

    In another post I had mentioned that The center im currently at has 10 brunswick machines lanes 13-22 that are in the 80000 serial number with 82420 being the newest of the bunch, according to a sheet brunswick says these machines should be factory A2's however, These machines are Jetbacks, They have the A2 style rake sweep links, but they have lowering links and I would imagine they were converted some time in the 60's. Goofier yet this house was added on. Originally it had 8 lanes and then expanded to 32 total. I havent quite figured out when this place was built. 13-20 now were the original 8 lanes. 21-22 have serial numbers that are close to the others less than a year apart. So its hard to tell if there was other equipment installed and then torn out before these machines were installed. But still yet more interesting is why these machines aren't A2's and instead are Jetbacks. Anyone have any ideas?, perhaps someone from brunswick may have some inside info?

  • #2
    Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsetters

    Parts get swapped around. Do the serial numbers on the gearboxes and turret frames line up with the cross conveyor numbers? I also heard somewhere Brunswick rebuilt some pinsetters and put new serial numbers on them.

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    • #3
      Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsetters

      I have 4 pinsetters in the 83,000 serial number range and their all factory A-2's with the scotch yokes.
      The older the part, the STRONGER it is.

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      • #4
        Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

        I might be a little off here, but I always thought the cuttof on Factory equiped A-2 was 90,000 and up. I think the 90 to 99,000 range was the best. solid sand cast moving decks and those sweet smooth scotch yolks, just put a jetback pulley on the motor and you're in heaven. not like these 1980 machines, with moving decks falling apart faster than I can send them out to be welded!
        But back to the subject. If some one in the past was going to purchace machines to expand a center they may have upgraded Jetbacks to A-2. I've seen some people go to farther extremes! Just about the only thing I havent seen is model A with scotch yolk conversion

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        • #5
          Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

          maybe parts were swapped to get the job done ive seen this done in a couple places

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          • #6
            Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

            From what I understand, the 80000 series started the "Factory" A-2...but they didn't start with Scotch Yokes. They were called factory converted machines...worked as an A-2 but no Yokes yet.

            I don't know what the serial number was where they started the Scotch Yokes...but with Nirvana04's input...it is looking like somewhere around 83000. Nirvava04...can we narrow down the serial numbers a little...what is the lowest with Scotch Yokes? Are any more of your machines in the 80000 range without Scotch Yokes?

            Also...do the Scotch Yoke machines have the A-2 cycle solenoid mounting plates or the converted mounting plates? Are you going by the serial number on the gear box or the cross conveyor?
            TSM & TSM Training Development
            Main Event Entertainment
            480-620-6758 for help or information

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            • #7
              Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

              Originally posted by mikeb
              .....Just about the only thing I havent seen is model A with scotch yolk conversion
              We got one! An old 10XXX series Otis A converted with a Jap gearbox with scotch yoke! Kinda weird lookin, but it works!

              Hey, when A gearbox pukes you gotta use what you got..especially during tourney time!
              <span style="font-style: italic">Sometimes it is best to use good advice from many individuals to achieve the ultimate result.</span>

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              • #8
                Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

                Everything on my machines as far as numbers go line up with each other. These machines would have been installed according to the list somewhere in 1962, which means they would have been A machines at one time? I've heard that jetback wansnt an option till 1965 or so, there is a sticker on the back of the machines near the switches that says brunswick automatic pinsetter with A-2 conversion. However these are not fully converted A2's they still had cable triggering until we put in automatic scoring, they have the old detector mounted new pins solenoid. Another odd thing is that usually you can see the old deck shield decal that was covered up by paint and and a new decal, these ones have there originals decals and they are simply the 60's style jetback logo. is it possible that the jetback conversion came out before 1965?

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                • #9
                  Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

                  Steve...

                  My Japanese A-2s are numbered in the J-85xxx range.
                  -- Larry

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                  • #10
                    Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

                    Brunswick Pinsetter serial numbers and the date of manufacture
                    Serial Number Date Serial Number Date Serial Number Date
                    5200 Jul-57 38000 Jul-60 80000 Nov-62
                    6000 Aug-57 39000 Sep-60 81000 Apr-63
                    7000 Oct-57 39500 Sep-60 82000 Jul-63
                    8000 Nov-57 50001 Nov-59 83000 Sep-63
                    9000 Jan-58 51000 Apr-60 84000 Jun-64
                    10000 Feb-58 52000 May-60 85000 Apr-65
                    11000 Mar-58 53000 Jun-60 86000 Sep-65
                    12000 Apr-58 54000 Jul-60 87000 May-66
                    13000 May-58 55000 Aug-60 88000 Jul-66
                    14000 Jun-58 56000 Sep-60 89000 Nov-66
                    15000 Aug-58 57000 Oct-60 90000 May-67
                    16000 Sep-58 58000 Nov-60 91000 Aug-67
                    17000 Sep-58 59000 Dec-60 92000 Apr-68
                    18000 Oct-58 60000 Jan-61 93000 Sep-68
                    19000 Nov-58 61000 Dec-61 94000 Jun-69
                    20000 Dec-58 62000 Mar-61 95000 Sep-69
                    21000 Jan-59 63000 Apr-61 96000 May-70
                    22000 Feb-59 64000 May-61 97000 Oct-70
                    23000 Apr-59 65000 Jun-61 98000 Jan-71
                    24000 May-59 66000 Jun-61 99000 May-71
                    25000 Jun-59 67000 Jul-71 100000 Dec-71
                    26000 Jul-59 68000 Aug-61 101000 Mar-72
                    27000 Aug-59 69000 Aug-61 102000 May-72
                    28000 Sep-59 70000 Sep-61 103000 Aug-72
                    29000 Sep-59 71000 Sep-61 104000 Nov-72
                    30000 Oct-59 72000 Oct-61 105000 May-73
                    31000 Nov-59 73000 Oct-61 106000 Feb-74
                    32000 Nov-59 74000 Nov-61 107000 Nov-75
                    33000 Dec-59 75000 Dec-61 108000 Dec-78
                    34000 Jan-60 76000 Apr-62 109000 Apr-80
                    35000 Mar-60 77000 May-62 110000 Sep-85
                    36000 Apr-60 78000 Jun-62
                    37000 May-60 79000 Jun-62
                    Serial numbers below 50000 were made by Otis Elevator Company for Brunswick.
                    Final "A" Pinsetter was made on June 24, 1962.
                    Final "A-2" Pinsetter was made on September 11, 1985 Serial Number 110402.
                    Serial Number 50001 and on were made in Muskegon.
                    Serial Number 80000 was the start of the Factory "A-2" series.
                    Serial Number 90000 was start of new detectors.
                    Serial Number 109000 was the start of the 27:1 gear box 1980.
                    Data provided by Brunswick Bowling & Billiards Muskegon Michigan.
                    wish i had the same access to that infallible source of expertise on lane conditions that bowlers seem to have....

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                    • #11
                      Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

                      Originally posted by TheLegend
                      Steve...

                      My Japanese A-2s are numbered in the J-85xxx range.
                      Larry...Japanese numbers are an animal all their own. I have yet to find any documentation on when they were manufactured based on the serial numbers. Too bad, that would be an interesting list.
                      TSM & TSM Training Development
                      Main Event Entertainment
                      480-620-6758 for help or information

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                      • #12
                        Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

                        That sure would, I'm sure that there is someone out there that has that info or a way to obtain it.
                        Mark
                        (919) 757-1789

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                        • #13
                          Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

                          I have 16 J/A-2's 12 of them with serial numbers 87,000 and 4 in the 73,000 range

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                          • #14
                            Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

                            My Jap's were 69,XXX+, and the were in order. I think what happened was the Jap goverment required that the machines be assembled in Japan, or brunswick would have had to pay a large import duty on preassembled equipment.

                            So "B" shipped a crap load of parts to Japan for assembly and numbers went out the door. It looked like the gear box,turret frames and cross conveyor supports just had the letter "J" hand stamped in front of the factory index number.

                            When they needed to refresh the JAP inventory, "B" just shipped factory inventory from their production line here to there and did the same "J" stamp again.

                            My machines were some of the very first JAP's assembled there. They were install in a 5 story tall 100 lane center and didn't have the balanced jogger shaft assemblies for the pits. From what I understand the machines would get the entire building vibrating and it had to be condemded.

                            We still had all the original JAP power plugs(dangerous) and the 50 hertz motor pulleys untill the early 90's. The cycle time was about 7.5 seconds per ball. The league's use to finish a 5 man team/3 game set in about 2 hours!

                            Even "B" doesn't have complete records for JAP serial numbers, and don't go by the parts catalog on these machines. I use to rewrite my catalog pages everytime I found a mistake. And needless to say there was alot of them.



                            Jim Long

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                            • #15
                              Re: The mystery of the 80000 serial number pinsett

                              I'm fairly sure my Japanese machines were made it Japan. If you look at the step between the motor mount and the electrical box, you will see a big difference between American and Japanese. That step is the reason I can't bring myself to but a Japanese car until I'm sure the last worker who made those pinsetters is retired or dead.

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