Networking Vector Plus Frameworx Question

[ITQ_Jhays]

This may be simple - but I am a network engineer - and we picked up a bowling alley as a customer - I first started cleaning up their office network and documenting to get a good understanding of what they have.

I'm at the brunswick system now, and first off, I completely segmented the brunswick CMSERVER, FRONTDESK (Client1) and the 18 Lanes (Boca 10-BaseT Hub) in back onto one network. Now the office and brunswick are completely off of each other. They had them all going into multiple switches/hubs, they added wireless over the summer and talk about confusing IP's.

2 questions actually - the brunswick system is currently a class b subnet, why in the world is there 65K possible IP addresses for an 18 lane house? I have found the IP addresses for the Server and front desk Client - but for the life of me, I cannot find the IP addresses assigned to the lanes. I assume they are assigned to the left lane (odd number) and by IP scanning for ICMP and/or SNMP packets, the lanes do not respond, even when I scanned the 65K possible ip addresses. Are they by default assigned 128.0.0.1 for Lanes 1/2 and 128.0.0.2 for Lanes 3/4? Eitherway, why don't they respond to ICMP packet responses? All I'm doing is documenting the brunswick network now. any help before I call brunswick, which the house manager told me is like pulling teeth - cause they want to sell their own dell equipment to the house. Not that I am a big fan of Dell - but they are ok.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[MNSCORER]

What OS are you running on the server/client 1 ?

Marty

[cuda96]

In the Vector scoring system the individual lanes do not have I.P. addresses. Each set of 8 lanes has one computer that controls the scoring and communications for those 8 lanes. For an 18 lane center you will have 3 scoring computers, usually mounted on the curtain wall in front of the machines, and each one of those 3 computers will have an I.P. address.

[ITQ_Jhays]

What OS are you running on the server/client 1 ?

Marty

Server is Windows 2000 Server SP4, client is Windows 2000 workstation. I've ran netscans on the 128.0.0.x network with subnet 255.255.0.0 but it only finds the CMSERVER and CLIENT1. Shouldn't they respond to ICMP requests?

[ITQ_Jhays]

In the Vector scoring system the individual lanes do not have I.P. addresses. Each set of 8 lanes has one computer that controls the scoring and communications for those 8 lanes. For an 18 lane center you will have 3 scoring computers, usually mounted on the curtain wall in front of the machines, and each one of those 3 computers will have an I.P. address.

Are you speaking of control boxes on the back curtain wall? Like I said before: I've ran netscans on the 128.0.0.x network with subnet 255.255.0.0 but it only finds the CMSERVER and CLIENT1. Shouldn't they respond to ICMP requests, no matter what they are, computers. network devices, etc? the only protocol on the CMSERVER and CLIENT is TCPIP so they must comm over IP and the only way that is possible is if the device has an address. Or is this a brunswick thing, like the old IBM microchannel days..

[ITQ_Jhays]

Not sure if this makes any difference, the system is vector back office, frameworx scoring (touch screen). We don't have the 3 scoring computers in back. This came directly from the head mechanic at the house.

[Glitch]

Don't know if this will help or not, but the Frameworx scorers run a version of ROM DOS. The lane ID for each pair is set either through programming it in the maintenance menu for older I/O boards, or by dip switches on the newer I/O boards. I've never seen any references to IP addresses for the scorer consoles. Originally, these consoles communicated with a back office PC running Zenix. This was not through Cat 5, but I believe it was through a small coaxial cable from the office PC to a hub on the back wall.

[ITQ_Jhays]

The lanes have a silver box above each pair (9 total) for 18 lanes. They are connected via Ethernet to a Boca 10BT Hub, which runs to the Front Desk (Client1) and then from there runs to the back office Server (CMServer) The Client1 and CMServer both have IP addresses of 128.0.0.200 and 128.0.0.201 with a Class B subnet mask with no gateway. I know the client1 and cmserver controls the lane consoles (just not sure how they are communicating over IP). The consoles at the lanes are Frameworx touch screens, we checked the maintenance menu at the consoles and no mention anywhere of IP addressing. the boards in the left lanes are 486SX with some old IO cards, dont know exactly the version but I can get them if needed.

[Presh]

Just noticed that the scoring system has already been identified as frameworx.

[TwinCityLanesFM]

your looking at it like its a modern network. you can't each console will not return icmp. Now there is a program inbeded in the server that you can load that will show all the lane pairs at this point I dont remember the name.