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    I have been hearing you fellows talk about auto scoring systems and I was wondering what kind of scoring systems I might look at. I have telescores now, 82-70's with underground ball returns. I can't afford new but with all the bigger centers upgrading their stuff what should I be looking for as far as used? Are these systems hard to install or would I have to hire someone to come in and install them? I really am looking for something pretty failsafe.
    Thanks

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    I would look around for a used Qubica system. I would recomend calling Eastren Bowling but was informed today that they went out with Mendes!Call Sthal's' they represent Qubica also. 612-432-2231

    Ed

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    • #3
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      A couple of thoughts:

      1: Before you think too much about the system, you need to have a structural engineer come in and look at your roof support system. If the building structure can't support overhead monitors, your options become a lot more limited. And if it needs modifications to support them, it can run into major $$, so check this first.

      2: For any scoring system to be as reliable as possible, it requires an isolated ground, a mongo surge suppression device, and its own power distribution panel. Brunswick (new) installations require an isolated neutral and isolated ground. Again, a significant expense, but this is a pay now or pray later thing. You should get an estimate from the electrician on this too before proceeding.

      3) You DON'T want to install it yourself. While someone who's familiar with the system could do it easily (I know I could put in a set of AS series, for example), it's a lot of work, and the wiring has to be right the first time or you risk frying stuff or having it not work right, or worse, erratically. Not knowing the system in advance, it's not a good idea to take it on.

      As far as choice of systems goes, i agree with ed that qubica is the best out there right now, but the only way you'll find one on the market now is if a center closed.

      My experience is with AS-90 with CCD cameras, it's been bullet proof for the most part. The scanner style brunswicks are somewhat fidgety to keep running, I'd stay away from them. You can get a lowers-only Brunswick system if your building won't hold the overheads.

      ANother consideration is that some AMF chassis will offer enhancements (shortened cycle times, for example) when interfaced with certain scoring systems, but that's outside my experience, I'm throwing it out there for some of the 70 guys to discuss. You may want to post some details on what chassis type you're using, so they can say more about this subject.

      Kevin

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      • #4
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        I did my own installation last summer of ASKs but I sure am glad I found this web site because it can be real hard to find answers. Unless you have lots of time and really enjoy a puzzle, I wouldn't advise you to go unsupported. I would also advise you to research, ask others who have the system,and after you have it narrowed down acquire the manuals. Just my opinion is to use the scoring made the the pinsetter manuf. Lots of accuscore equip. out there. If you decide to hire the installation done (smartest) be there asking questions so that YOU understand how the system works and what is connected to what etc. Just my opinion.

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        • #5
          Re: Scoring systems

          Spankey,

          KL is correct. AMF scoring will offer you a shortened strike cycle and no table run on gutter ball or 7/10 pickoff if you have a MP chassis or if you have ss chassis you can install the omega tek expander for under $200. You can also eliminate the table cable when you do this so no more respot wire problems. I do believe qubica offers the same thing but the AMF system does work good. We have had accuscore for 10 years and we have had very minimal problems. Check out the posts on AMF scoring discussion and there are not very many compared to Brunswick.

          king

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          • #6
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            A company called Purfect score also sells refurbished auto-scoring. I am unsure about installation, but they should have most amf, brunswick, and maybe qubica stuff in stock. (Don't quote me on it however)
            they have a web-site. If you cannot find it I know you can get a link to it from a company called bowling management associates

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            • #7
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              Spankey,If you want used scoring, try calling DoneRite bowling. When we were reasearching new scoring systems DoneRite was willing to sell our old system for us. Maybe they have some that they are trying to get rid of. Just an idea. Glenn Keenan was my rep. If you talk to him, please mention Jason @ Plaza in Madison NJ told you to call. I'm asking you that because Glenn is straight up with you, he doesn't play the normal games adn I feel bad(you have no idea how bad) that we wasted alot of his time and purchased another system. I hope this helps.

              P.S I have his direct line at the office if you have trouble reaching him let me know and I'll email it to you.


              Jason

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              • #8
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                Purrfect score is a division of qubica, you can call the main number for qubica and they'll connect you:

                Their desk system interfaces to amf and brunswick scorers, and they use CDE's league recordkeeping software. I looked at their desk stuff, thought it was a little pricey, but has lots of features.

                Kevin

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                • #9
                  Re: Scoring systems

                  King or KL,

                  What about the Boss System from AMF. looks like a good copy of what Quibica has already been doing. I am in the process of buying a 24 lane 82-70 house with no auto scoring and I like the look of the BOSS system but the Quibica one also is appealing. Both system have he thre monitor system for each pair of lanes and does any one know how much these systems weigh?

                  Looking for some opinions on this.

                  Spankey,
                  From my experience, auto scoring is the single biggest improvement you can make to your center. I have seen it increase business between 35 - 50 percent at three different centers that have installed system while I have managed or worked there. It is a great promotion point for your bowl. It also allows you to raise bowling rates (league and open Play) in order to recoup your investment faster.

                  Thanks for this topic and any advice people may be able to give.
                  Bowl300

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                  • #10
                    Re: Scoring systems

                    300:

                    For the two monitor systems, "B" figures 500lbs/overhead (obviously includes a hefty safety factor), AMF should be able to give you the number for the 3 screen job, it'll be in the pre-installation manual.

                    As far as the BOSS is concerned, I'd ask for a customer list and talk to people (independent centers) who have it, there were some problems early on, can't say for sure if they have been resolved.

                    Spankey:
                    When I put my system in, I raised league linage a dollar a night ... at the meetings, the leagues asked ... A game?? So you can raise your pricing to cover some of the expense. Open play traffic (raised price .25/game, depends on your market) went up 20% after installation, be sure this year's yellow pages ad trumpets the fact you have scoring, there are lots of people who have never tried bowling because they don't know how to keep score. You won't believe the new faces you'll see. Out of all the new stuff I've put into this center, the BEST investment of all was the scoring system (gutter bumpers was a close second).

                    Kevin

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                    • #11
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                      Bowl,

                      A center I service occasionally about 20 minutes from here has Boss. I do not know if they have the sec. package or not. I do know they have replaced all 18 overhead monitors in the first 18 mos. of operation. They had so many go bad AMF gave them credit for more if they go out. This is all I know of boss and it doesn't sound good.

                      king

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                      • #12
                        Re: Scoring systems

                        KL and King,

                        thanks for the great advice, Kat also responded in the scoring forum that sam's town in Vegas has the Boss system in place.

                        i will give them a call to ask how it is working out for them.

                        thanks for the great info.
                        Bowl300

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                        • #13
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                          I spoke to an installer the other day that happened to be in town installing promotional stuff for casinos for the ABC. He said that he hasn’t installed a BOSS system in almost a year due to the troubles that come with it. He said that AMF is having so much trouble with it that they have looked to Qubica to help them figure it out. That tells me all I need to know about who has the best system & tech support out there.
                          Dutch

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                          • #14
                            Re: Scoring systems

                            In my opinion Qubica is the way to go. I have been using it for over 2 years and have had 0 problems with it. We just got the upgraded front desk software which makes life even better. Camera adjustments can be made at the front desk without bothering the customers as much, having infared detectors on the camera is way better than having them mounted on the kickbacks. You can even wire around the time delay circuits in a module if one goes out. In 2 years I have not lost a camera board, only 1 six box and 1 vdb. The backoffice computer can get the league scores automatically, CDE's software works really well. When put Qubica in our newest center, had a few problems with the monitor boards, but all in all is working well. I know several mech's in the area who have the BOSS system, and have nothing but trouble. They have to use an old back office system cause AMF has yet to get their new system to be work with the BOSS. Pat and his crew have put together a strong system which I'm sure will only get better.
                            Just my two cents worth.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Scoring systems

                              MainEvent and KL_Kevin,

                              How did you get qubica scoring in your house!!! I have tried to contact them three times in the last week to receive no response. complete Bowling Supply in Las Vegas used to distibute there systems but has now switched to Bruswick ???

                              Did you go through the company directly or via a distributor?

                              AMF has already given me a sales presentation and pricing list. Very impressed with there proactive effort to get my business.

                              Qubica may be the best, but there sales effort is the SH$%'s Do they have too many customers to want my business?

                              Left in a lurch,

                              thanks,
                              William Iles

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