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  • How do you prevent or elimate carrydown after a game and a half?

    I have been working on my pattern for a month or 2 now and I have a great shot to start, however right around 8,9,10 I get carry-down after a game and a half. I need to know the correct way to go about eliminating the carry down without losing the shot.

    Do I increase the speed on the forward pass earlier in the pattern?

  • #2
    Tell the bowlers to swing it out a bit more? Have them adjust maybe?
    Gene Simmons for president!!!

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    • #3
      Carrydown is caused by excessive oil at the end of the pattern. Speeding up the machine will only increase the oil at the end of the pattern and make the pattern carry down more. Slow the machine down at the beginning of the pattern to drop more oil at the front of the pattern. This adjustment will lower the volume at the end of the pattern. Make small speed adjustments until you get what you are looking for.
      Wood Lanes
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      Infinity Oil

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      • #4
        If you want anythimg left the last game, you will have some transition (push down) the first game. Generally you will go 1 or 2 to the right the 1st game and then back about 3 or 4 until your done.

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        • #5
          Carry can be caused by a few things.

          Mostly too much volume and too little taper.

          Post your pattern and I can probably help.

          Post your pump setting, cleaner, mixture strength, lane surface, and what oil you use please

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          • #6
            Carrydown will never be eliminated but with the correct amount input"tweaking"from the it can be used to make the shot last longer.
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            • #7
              Menu Description 3/5/2012
              Clean (1) Oil (2) Both (3) 3
              Simultaneous (1) Sep (2) 2
              Start clean distance 0
              Spray "on" time (tenths) 4
              Spary "off" time (tenths) 12
              Last spray distance (feet) 50
              Oil pattern distance (feet) 40
              Forward shift to 2nd speed 1
              Forward shift to 3rd speed 6
              Forward shift to high speed 40
              Rt 1-7 oil forward (inches) 24
              Rt 7-10 oil forward (inches) 30
              Rt 10-15 oil forward (feet) 24
              Rt 15-20 oil forward (feet) 28
              Lf 1-7 oil forward (inches) 24
              Lf 7-10 oil forward (inches) 36
              Lf 10-15 oil forward (feet) 30
              Lf 15-20 oil forward (feet) 33
              Return shift to 3rd speed 36
              Return shift to 2nd speed 16
              Return shift to low speed 1
              Rt 1-7 oil reverse (inches) 0
              Rt 7-10 oil reverse (inches) 0
              Rt 10-15 oil reverse (feet) 25
              Rt 15-20 oil reverse (feet) 28
              Lf 1-7 oil reverse (inches) 0
              Lf 7-10 oil reverse (inches) 0
              Lf 10-15 oil reverse (feet) 30
              Lf 15-20 oil reverse (feet) 31
              Add oil Rt 1-5 (# hits) 0
              Add oil Rt 5-10 (# hits) 0
              Add oil Lf 1-5 (# hits) 0
              Add oil Lf 5-10 (# hits) 0
              Additional comments and notes about patterns and conditioning:
              Pad order Left to Right
              7-3-5-5-5-5-3-7
              Oil Used - Crossfire
              Cleaner - Celucoat v4 with 4-1 Ratio

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              • #8
                Murrey Synthetics 5 - Years old

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                • #9
                  I am confused....you put down lf and rt.....are you oiling the lanes heavier for the lefties - or do you have the pattern backward?

                  Try this for both sides:



                  Oil pattern distance (feet) 41
                  Forward shift to 2nd speed 1
                  Forward shift to 3rd speed 6
                  Forward shift to high speed 41
                  Rt 1-7 oil forward (inches) 24
                  Rt 7-10 oil forward (inches) 30
                  Rt 10-15 oil forward (feet) 22
                  Rt 15-20 oil forward (feet) 25
                  Lf 1-7 oil forward (inches) 24
                  Lf 7-10 oil forward (inches) 30
                  Lf 10-15 oil forward (feet) 22
                  Lf 15-20 oil forward (feet) 25
                  Return shift to 3rd speed 36
                  Return shift to 2nd speed 16
                  Return shift to low speed 1
                  Rt 1-7 oil reverse (inches) 0
                  Rt 7-10 oil reverse (inches) 0
                  Rt 10-15 oil reverse (feet) 30
                  Rt 15-20 oil reverse (feet) 33
                  Lf 1-7 oil reverse (inches) 0
                  Lf 7-10 oil reverse (inches) 0
                  Lf 10-15 oil reverse (feet) 30
                  Lf 15-20 oil reverse (feet) 33
                  Add oil Rt 1-5 (# hits) 0
                  Add oil Rt 5-10 (# hits) 0
                  Add oil Lf 1-5 (# hits) 0
                  Add oil Lf 5-10 (# hits) 0

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                  • #10
                    Thank you, will try it tonight.

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                    • #11
                      Let me know how it plays......you might have the left and right side confused...

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                      • #12
                        What are the common things to change to make small adjustments in a pattern? Looking for things like definitions of what forward oil does as opposed to reverse oil, when to speed machine up as opposed to slowing it down and anything else you can think of?

                        I just would like to somewhat understand how this works.

                        I understand reverse oil makes the shot more durable, but how do you determine how long to put forward versus reverse..

                        Please educate me on this stuff before I go any more insane..

                        Thanks in advance..

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                        • #13
                          Forward oil carries down more...it is on the brush going toward the headpin

                          The faster the machine moves the less oil is put down

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                          • #14
                            So if I am still having to much at the end of the pattern at the 10-15 I would shorten the length on the forward pass.

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                            • #15
                              What is the bowling ball doing....sliding too much in the middle.....does it hook from the outside......not hook enough anywhere?.....too little backened? if you throw the ball straight it hooks but if you start it in the middle it does not hook back enough?

                              Describe the ball action please

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