Pin Deck Installation

[Adam_Davis]

We have just purchaced 20 Bruns AnvilLane Pin Decks. Here's my question

I will be doing the installation. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] I have never done anything like this before, and am a bit unnerved about taking a circular saw to the lane without a little guidance. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] I have been told that installation is easy, but you know haw that goes. I am just looking to see what I can expect. I've been told that these things are heavy (200+ LB.) and that was the only difficult part. I have also been told to use playing cards to shim them, and to have about 1/100 on an in drop off from the backend. I will have access to a lane level too.

Also I'm going to go ahead and buy saw blades. About how many should I get for 20 lanes? I know to get carbide, right? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Also, about how many of these should I be able to do in a day? (12PM - 6PM)

We should recieve them tue or wed next week, and I'd like to get started ASAP. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

Just need some advise. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Adam D.

[ March 22, 2001: Message edited by: BrunsAce ]

[Guest]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

Originally posted by BrunsAce:
We have just purchaced 20 Bruns AnvilLane Pin Decks. Here's my question
I've been told that these things are heavy (200+ LB.) and that was the only difficult part. I have also been told to use playing cards to shim them, and to have about 1/100 on an in drop off from the backend. I will have access to a lane level too.

Heavy, You ain't kiddin, I'm not in any way an install expert, but I think you should use woood framing shims rather than the Ace of Spades..

[Adam_Davis]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

Quote:]Originally posted by GM:
I'm not in any way an install expert, but I think you should use woood framing shims rather than the Ace of Spades..[/QUOTE]


Kinda thought that too.. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[ March 21, 2001: Message edited by: BrunsAce ]

[KL Kevin]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

Better you than me ...

See topic pindeck install, dated april 26, 2000 in lane maintenance forum, was covered fairly well there.

A few things I'd add:

Be sure you have a powder actuated nail gun handy, you'll need it to attatch the 2x12's the feet will mount on to the concrete (and ear protection, the gun echoes real bad between the kickbacks). Don't skimp on the nails ... I've had to go in and re-shoot several of the sub-structures when they came loose.

When the resurfacer did ours, he tack nailed a piece of steel to the lane as a fence for the saw, to be sure the cut was going to be straight... don't eyeball it!!!

Typically, the decks mount on jack screws at all 4 corners, the nut underneath the deck takes a lot of vibration, I'd locktite the lower ones right before you jack them up to level the deck... yes, the lower nuts are nylocks, and yes, they have come loose.

BEFORE you cut the old deck off, be sure to top-screw the lane to the last support crib that will stay (impact driver or hammer drill), with at least 5 of those BF Screws. Remember the lane used to rely on the deck for part of its support and its structural integrity, and that won't be there when you cut it, it might bow if you don't.

Others may have more to say, but best to ask lots of questions BEFORE you start, and don't rely solely on one source for info.

Good luck, and start small (one at a time), you'll get a feel for how many you can do after a few, but don't assume that the cribbing is alway going to be the same from lane to lane, it probably won't be ...

Kevin

[Ed Fox]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

Quote:]Typically, the decks mount on jack screws at all 4 corners, the nut underneath the deck takes a lot of vibration, I'd locktite the lower ones right before you jack them up to level the deck... yes, the lower nuts are nylocks, and yes, they have come loose.[/QUOTE]

Kevin, do you have the new "B" deck's because with our install they didn't use the jack screws. They just tied them into the lane and shimmed them off of the cribbing. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Ed

[Adam_Davis]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

Thanks Kevin. I read the topic. It answered alot of my questions. One thing though..

Am I going to have to rebuild the entire support structure for these? I hope not!!
I had planned on strenghthening (whew..long word) them anyway, but not tearing out the old and re building. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Also, These don't have jack screws. They install using shims to level. They are 3 yr old anvil lane decks.

Thanks Again

Adam D.

[8270king]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

We have anvil decks and wood lanes! You could watch an installer do 2 of them and then do the rest. One other word of advice...with phoenix machines and lane stripper I would put clear urethane on the end of the lane you cut off to seal it.

king

[pat]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

Hey Brunsace,

I have not installed pin decks myself but I am working at a place that has. We had a a lot of problems because where the end of the lane and the pin deck meet was not secured properly. We were having bad pin reaction and a lot of weird splits. I asked here on bowl tech what I can do and 8270 king gave me a great answer. Also the thread I posted 5-7-10 splits may have some other helpful advice. Here is what King wrote and it solve the problem.

82/70 king
Member
Member # 671
posted February 19, 2001 06:10 PM
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WQhen they installed your decks they should have done the following:
1. Screwed down the lane in at least 3 places within 6 inches of where the deck is being replaced.

2. Put a metal spline in the wood the add integrity and keep the wood from "piano keying"

king

Good luck

Pat

[KL Kevin]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

Mine are the older style, Guess things are different now ... How do you tie the new style ones into the old tailplanks, that has me curious now????

King's thought on watching someone do a few is real good, people who do it for a living know the tricks to make it less of a hassle.

How thick are the new style ones?? Since you couldn't make them thicker than the thinnest lane bed you'd attatch them to, seems to me like you'd need the best part of a tree's worth of shims to get the height and level right?

Kevin

[Adam_Davis]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

These new decks mount just like the old wood ones...supposedly. They have holes in them for you to screw them down.

These are 2 inches thick. Our lnaes are so far worn out, that this is almost TOO thick!!

I'd love to watch somebody do it, but I don't have that option. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]

[Lampie]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

I did mention this in one or another tread before, but maybe it's too late for you : Inject the lanes at the point you're sawing it with the same epoxy you use in the headers this will prevent(d?) your lane playing piano, I did this when I had to deal with this and I'm glad I did this.

This, this, this.....

Amadeus

[EDJ]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BrunsAce:
[B] Their is always a tendency to try and save money on a project. Installing pin decks are not as easy as it looks. Proper ABC measurements, structure support, tools and the attitude "to do it right, do it once"
(knowledge). We have gone behind mechanics to do correction work on lanes when they decided to do their own lane work. This does not mean you may not have the ability to do this project. Most resurfacers and lane installers have the same problems with pinsetter installations and trouble shooting after the installation. My advice is to contact a resurfacer in your area who has experience in lane installations for a quote. To bring someone in to do a few pin decks so you can copy what they do is very unethical to say the least unless they agree to it. Good luck.

EDJ

[ March 25, 2001: Message edited by: EDJ ]

[BowlEquip]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

With regard to the tailplanks:
Either replace the tailplank (if split) with the 9" version (good ones from AMF), or you'll cut off the tops of them. The pindeck hovers OVER the old tailplank. Check where the underside of the deck will be and cut enough off the top of the plank to leave a small gap, 1/2" MAX, between them.
If your planks are very old, I recommend new 9" ones so you'll have new hardwood to screw your flat gutters to. You can then cut up some of your old planks for hardwood members for fixing foundations, such as under flat gutters and gutter adaptor blocks.

[Adam_Davis]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

We recieved the decks today. They are Armor Plate, not AnvilLane. Sorry bout that, I was misinformed. No jack screws.

As for tail planks, it looks like these don't need them (thank goodness). It looks like the rear of the deck acts as the tail plank.

Now a new question that arose today. Where can I find the screws for mounting these. They are 1/4" x 4" Stainless Steel countersunk wood screws (there was one still in one of the holes). Also, does it HAVE to be SS? Can I use standard ones instead?

Finally, Mike..You can move this thread to the lane maintainence section if you want.

[John_Galt]

Re: Pin Deck Installation

Quote:]Originally posted by BowlEquip:
(good ones from AMF)[/QUOTE]
What are you smoking? Pass it here!
Quote:]
The pindeck hovers OVER the old tailplank. Check where the underside of the deck will be and cut enough off the top of the plank to leave a small gap, 1/2" MAX, between them.
[/QUOTE]
Maybe (read: probably) I am reading this wrong, but wouldn't this result in ball damage, not to say damage to conditioning machine? And to the pindeck itsself for that matter! Should these not be flush with each other???

Chaddy.