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  • Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

    Just got the lanes cut and we ran a couple patterns out. We are noticing prominent zig-zags down the lane. The general opinion is that the buffer is out. Is this something that could have been an on-going problem but we are only noticing it now as it is easier to see the pattern on a newly cut lane? Anyone have any suggestions?
    Failed safety course.Question #1:In case of fire what steps do you take? Apparently 'Friggin long ones!" is the wrong answer.

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    Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

    Do you have the silver Phoenix-S ? With the double transferroller? How old is your bufferbrush? How is de condition from the transferrollers?

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    • #3
      Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

      Get a black light and lay it on top of machine this will let you see what is going on.

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        Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

        Are the zig-zags mainly in the front part of the lane? A top transfer roller that had become too "polished" will exagerate the zig-zig. A bad/old or out of adjustment buffer brush will as well. However, this is one of the characteristics of the double roller set up. This is the main reason the double roller system was eliminated. The old man (John Davis) hates zig-zags. This is why the smoother pads were introduced. The smoother pads do eliminate the zig-zags but the increased maintenance was not a fair trade off. Now if this is with the tranfer brush set up then the pencil tip is too close to the "V".
        Conditioner: Pantene Pro-V Brunette Expressions with Color Enhancer
        Cleaner: Fabuloso Spring Fresh with Bleach Alternative
        Cloth: ShamWow!
        Machine: Johnny 5
        Surface: Melamine-impregnated, phenolic-treated, high pressure pressed craft paper

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        • #5
          Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

          The newly pulled finish does tend to exaggerate the zig-zag showing up, though. It was there all the time, but now that the finish is new, you see it a lot more.

          Alex is smarter than I in this department, but I saw the same thing before I converted my machine to the smoothing bar setup.

          It won't play as bad as it looks ... and once the solvents come out of the finish completely, it will go back to where you won't see it

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          • #6
            Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

            kevin is 100% correct, after you pull fresh finish you will notice this zig zag look in the oil. give it a few weeks and it will not be noticable.

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            • #7
              Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

              Haven't been on lately. We have a new buffer but are holding out for a few months. Going to put it on a month or so before we have the women's state tourney. The zigs are less noticeable since we lowered the buffer a little to the high side of the measurement. One thing we are noticing at the heads tho is a peeling up of the finish between the boards. It's like you can feel each board when you run your hand across the head. They flake off like slivers 1" or so long. Sometimes look like a little wood too. Not noticeable as much on the lanes that have had the most usage since being cut. There is talk about going over them one more time.
              Failed safety course.Question #1:In case of fire what steps do you take? Apparently 'Friggin long ones!" is the wrong answer.

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              • #8
                Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

                DO NOT CHANGE THE BUFFER MID SEASON.

                Always change the buffer in the summer months so you can adjust your program.

                If you change the buffer mid season you are asking for trouble!

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                • #9
                  Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

                  Agreed. I did that 2 years ago and paid dearly for 2 months in the middle of the season (Jan and Feb) til I got my pattern back to where I wanted it. I won't make THAT mistake twice.

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                    Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

                    The state tourney comes in after the winter leagues end I think. So we should be ok.
                    Failed safety course.Question #1:In case of fire what steps do you take? Apparently 'Friggin long ones!" is the wrong answer.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Anyone out there right now? Phoenix-s trouble

                      I got zig zags on my lanes and it was because i had so much oil in the middle of the lane. I was able to see the Zig Zags.. There right tho when you pull fresh finish you will get Zig Zag also.

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