Pins

Greetings To All.
While I am not a mechanic or proprieter, i am a big fan of the game of bowling and have been ever since the age of 7.
A topic i have talked about with my freinds a lot is the condition of todays bowling pins vs. what they used to be years ago.
I seriously doubt that the wood used for pins in this day and age is of the same toughness and durability of wood used say 10. 15 or 20 years ago. And a lot of that had to do with the lumber industry itself. Trees now a days are harvested from farms a lot quicker than they used to be and most of it that is harvested is used for the paper/pulp industry, even with the advent of computers, the amount of paper that is used for correspondence, documentation, etc has increased dramatically over the last decade.
When was the last time you actually saw a real 2 by 4....probably not since LBJ was in the White House.
Anyway...with wood being the way it is today....i am wondering if any of the pin manufacturers are looking at pins made of synthetic materials...for example...Kevlar....its much stronger than wood or steel for that matter.
We already have synthetic lanes, pindecks and approaches....I cant help but think that the manufacturers have to be doing some R & D on using synthetics for pins.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks for your interest.

[MASTERMIKE]

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Hello Doug,
Welcome to Bowltech. They do have a synthetic pin out called the twister. But there Is some different opinions on that pin though.
And the plastic on pins today Is better than It was years ago even If the wood Is'nt.
Mike

[amfpinboy]

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Doug, I've been in the business for over forty years and the pins made today, by AMF, are the best pins ever made.
We average fifty thousand games a month and the wood will make it through a full year with very little breakage.

[Mok]

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Originally posted by Doug Pauly:
Greetings To All.
While I am not a mechanic or proprieter,

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Neither am I. Nor am I a proprietor. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

A topic i have talked about with my freinds a lot is the condition of todays bowling pins vs. what they used to be years ago.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">(snip)

Anyway...with wood being the way it is today....i am wondering if any of the pin manufacturers are looking at pins made of synthetic materials...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">One word: Twisters .

[P.J.S.]

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I've seen the twisters in action at the 2001 ABC Tournament, they only changed the pins twice, instead of every five weeks with the wood pins.(new pins used in every change at the National Bowling Stadium) With over 3000 pins used they only broke 11 or 12, and every one was broke at the neck.
I would like to hear from somebody that uses Twisters in old 82-70's to see how they hold up, as far as scratches and gouges go.

[TheGMan143]

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[quote]Originally posted by Mok:

One word: Twisters .

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Another word: JUNK

They sound like throwing a cinderblock into a box of fine china from the front, and sound even worse (and louder) in the back. They cause problems with distributor feed because the coats are slippery, the action of the pins when hit sucks, they cause more offspot problems because the bottoms are so flat and square that "wobblers" stand instead of falling over, and they're worthless to me because I can't use them for pistol targets without risking life and limb.

[Lampie]

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Originally posted by P.J.:

I would like to hear from somebody that uses Twisters in old 82-70's to see how they hold up, as far as scratches and gouges go.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Before I got the Twisters the Amflite II were and still are my favourites but we had to test something new........
I'm using the Twisters in my old 82-70's for more than a year now.
On 24 lanes I had only ten broken ones(neck).
No extra stops due to them.
The sound is different but you get used to it.
The scores are okidoki.
They get damaged(chipped) fast but only I can see that, bowlers not.
The bottoms of the pins are not good they will soon keep falling(I think this is a design fault).
One's they are dirty you can't get them clean(they get a yellow rash).
They gave me new pins for every damaged one.
I don't miss changing pins(not needed).
The Twisters are not perfect but give Lane Dynamics some time and they will come with a good one.
Conclusion; wait with buying them, you will hear when they made the best, Give them a chance!
Or look at this

[deadwood_dup1]

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the pins made today, by AMF, are the best pins ever made.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which AMF are you buying your pins at? The AMF we get our pins at caused 40 + calls a night for the first 2 weeks we had them. Then they start cracking at the necks and the rings start to loosen up. Think ive pulled about 10 already and they were thrown in, in november. Sure wish you would tell me what AMF your gettin your pins from?

My former center, we ran 8 yearold Max's when we would have problems with amflites. Man..never seen an 8 yearold pin look so good.

deadwood

[P.J.S.]

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[quote]Originally posted by TheGMan143:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Mok:

One word: Twisters .

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Another word: JUNK

They sound like throwing a cinderblock into a box of fine china from the front, and sound even worse (and louder) in the back. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">They cause problems with distributor feed because the coats are slippery, the action of the pins when hit sucks, they cause more offspot problems because the bottoms are so flat and square that "wobblers" stand instead of falling over, and they're worthless to me because I can't use them for pistol targets without risking life and limb.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

[P.J.S.]

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sorry about the quote Gman I was playing around with tthe reply stuff and wanted to say they sound like bowling with coke bottles, I worked the 2001 ABC tourny in Reno, but the National Bowling Stadium has Brunswick GS-somethings. I just wanted to know how they held up in old 82-70's.
P.S. what part of PA are you from? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]

[lmitchell]

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The Max's i got at the start of the year are junk. The bottoms are falling out everywhere, and now the plastic is cracking off. I called the big B and they are sending me replacements, but after 3 weeks and tons of phone calls they are still not here. BUT...I needed to order colored pins the other day, and called AMF, and they were here in 2 days.

I can't wait untell this season is over so i can buy new AMF's.

LUKE

"They're gunna open up a chain of fancy bowlin lanes the first one in his old home town."
Jimmy Buffett - Brand New Country Star

[DetroitSignal]

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OK, heres my 2 cents:

Brunswick Max - junk. Dont like how they sound, dont like how they carry, dont like being able to pull the base rings out effortlessly, dont like 'em. They went in during August and I yanked 'em in December and ran some Amflites we had "resting" since 1986.

Diamond Duramid - yikes. Thought I liked them at first, but I have been pulling out 10-12 neck (in a 20 lane house it adds up) fractures every 2 weeks. They lose their stripes and logos, and they sound like a B-Max. The carry is not that great either......and that DAMN film coating that peels off. What is that stuff????

Vulcan = Brunswick Max

AMF Amflite II / Pinnacle - Bowled on 'em, love 'em, like the way they sound. Have had some bust at the neck, but not as bad as the Max or Diamond Duramid. The base rings may get loose, but they wont pull out like the Max, and still get the job done. PS: AMF needs to come out with the "meatball" logo pin again [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

[FlaProprietor]

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One pin I have not heard much about is the VIA Super-V pin, the new "official pin" of the PBA. Does anyone have experience with them? If so, what are you discovering about them? Are they worth a try (can't beat the price)?

[8270king]

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Amf is king.

Max loses its markings after 3 months. Base rings fall out.

Are there any other pins? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Jerry

[deadwood_dup1]

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Jerry: Atleast ill carry that 10 pin on a messenger with Max then the flat bottom Amflite.

deadwood