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    Two Questions....

    1. How many of you use foul lights? The reason that I ask, mine our the original Radar-ray's going back probably 40+ years. They work, but are very sensitive (going off for no reason). I got to the point that I just leave them off and the leagues police themselves for obvious fouls.

    2. Is there an easy conversion out there (please inlude approx. price per lane) that I can, without much labor, modify. Even if they are not interfaced with the pinspotter - that is o.k. I'm thinking if I can get a reliable foul signal (for as few a times that league bowlers foul) - we can re-rack the pins and change the scorer.

    Tony P.

  • #2
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    Bowltronics makes conversion for 82/08 foul units. I would check them out.


    • #3
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      There are several ways to go. Here are the ones that I have experience with.

      AMF's raydaray plus is expensive but my favorite because it's easy to install & the reflectors fit inside of the small cap.

      Zot's are also expensive & the reflectors are mounted on the outside of the small cap, making them susceptible to breakage. They are however, the easiest ones to adjust (that I've worked with)

      Murrey used to sell a PC board that would just plug into the old unit. I don't know if they still have it or not. It was relatively inexpensive & had an adjustment on it so that you could compensate for weak photocells.

      If $$$ is an issue, I'd call Murrey & see if they still sell the PC board. It's been about 10 years since I last checked on them. If they still have them, maybe they've been improved.


      • #4
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        if you have the 82-120's id suggest the Zot upgrade. plugs right into the existing radaray circuit board slot.

        and if you dont have the 82-120's id still suggest the full blown Zots, easy install and so easy to troubleshoot even i can figure'm out


        • #5
          Re: Foul Lights

          The Zot foul lights are the way to.

          Big Dog


          • #6
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            Tony P -
            Indeed, the Zot unit is a sturdy one.

            I have no idea on price, but I bet it'll be pretty hefty for you, sounds like you have 82/08's, in which case you will need new housings as well.

            If that's not your cup of tea, perhaps US Bowling or other such refurbishers can provide a used system at reduced cost.

            Good luck to you,


            • #7
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              To TonyP:

              We are currently making a change to the AMF Low Voltage Unit and will have it finished by April 1 You need to makr sure of which Radaray you have if you have what I call the big green jelly jars down back mounted on you curtain wall then you have the old radaray 82-08, and you can try to get a hold of me at 1-800-525-8116 for an extra help you might need.
              P J Rosendahl


              • #8
                Re: Foul Lights

                If you'd like, to hold you over for now, I can give you the quick and dirty course on Radaray foul lights. If you have the "jelly jars" on the curtain wall, I won't be able to help you... I'm not familiar with 82-08's... If you have a small board with 3 relays that mounts at the front of the ball return capping under a metal shield (the 'solid-state' unit), I believe it will be an 82-120 Radaray unit, and I've been working on them for quite a few years (we still have 16 lanes of them, and they all work). I do pretty much all of my own troubleshooting and rebuilding. Let me know, and I'll work with you via email.

                I can vouch for bowltronics units... we have 14 lanes of thier older-style infrared units (82-120 retrofit), and they are rock solid, reliable, and very low maintenance.

                From what I hear, Redline foul lights are really good, too... If you're interested, I'll try to dig up the contact info for the company. They'll send you the product brochure on them. If I remember correctly, they are pretty much self-contained and fairly inexpensive.

                [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: TheGMan143 ]
                <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>


                • #9
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                  Tony P, If you have the old "green jars" (82-8's) you can remove the two vacuum tubes and the foul cycle will no longer affect the machine. The foul lights are still on, but they don't function.
                  &quot;Gun control is the policy of tyrants&quot;
                  Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT)


                  • #10
                    Re: Foul Lights

                    Thanks to everyone for the replys. I have the 'green jelly jars' - the 82-8's.

                    With that in mind, I'm looking for something that is mechanically easy to convert and pretty inexpensive.

                    Tony P.


                    • #11
                      Re: Foul Lights

                      Hi, my company makes an economical direct replacement for the radaray foul lights. They have a power box that replaces the old box on the curtain wall and allows you to re-use the old wires. Check it out at <a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"><a href="" target="_blank"></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a>



                      • #12
                        Re: Foul Lights

                        Have a look at what Cybernetic Solutions have on offer in this area &amp; many others too !

                        Cybernetic Solutions

                        I've worked with their Foul Units before at a previous house &amp; found the quality to be A1 .

                        Also as the product is Australian Made &amp; the Australian dollar is only worth about 50 Cents USD currently, it makes the purchase a lot easier on the pocket of your venue [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

                        Also , The quality of Australian built products is 2nd to none !!

                        Please Check them out , YOU WILL BE SURPRISED AT THE QUALITY , PRICE &amp; SERVICE !


                        • #13
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                          Hey, thanks for the (unpaid) ad Mark [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

                          We've never met - gotta catch up soon.

                          Ray Jordan
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