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    Hi guys,
    A fellow head tech at one of our centre's asked me for help the other day and what I saw is a problem I have never seen before, and to be honest don't understand how it could happen, but it did as I saw it.... when base first pins go up the pinwheel along the pingiude rail they don't actually touch the rail, 9 out of 10 pins drop onto the rail about an inch before the o pan but that 1 in 10 will sail right over the o pan. If you turn the b/e off with a pin in the pinwheel there is roughly 3/8"- 1/2" gap between the pin and the rail. What I want to know is how the hell could that happen. I have suggested to him take ALL the holders off and swap them with another odd lane... and see if problem moves.
    Anyone here ever seen this before and if so how did they fix it??

    Cheers in advance ....
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  • #2
    I have'nt seen it but a friend with bruns. and the plastic pinwheel would have them stick and go over the top.(new pins only) Don't know if we have a static issue or diameter/not swelled. What mach. type and pin old/new ?

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    • #3
      Are you saying the pins are stuck to the inside of the pin wheel?

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      • #4
        You're saying the pins don't touch the kidney until almost an inch before the o-pan!?!? See if you can get a video of this! Is this happening on one machine only? I just don't understand how this is possible....
        You know, if my dog was as ugly as you. I'd shave his butt and tell him to walk backwards

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        • #5
          Yeah he is running 90XL's, yeah the pin seems like it is stuck inside the pinwheel, the pins are AMFliteII's from 2009. Correct as McGolf asked, pins drop onto the guide rail about an inch before the O pan, I do have a video of it but it's 31Mb....
          I just don't get how pins travel so far up the pinwheel without touching the guide rail?? Yeah only one lane, an odd lane. (very bloody odd lane), and often the gap between the pin and rail is quite large, as I said bewteen 3/8" - 1/2"
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          • #6
            Only thing I can possibly think is tacky/dirty pinwheel/pins, if the pin isnt touching the rail then it must be 'stuck' to the pin holder

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            • #7
              I have had the exact same thing happen. Check the pin holders, you will probably see a flat groove on the peak where the pins are held. I took a grinder and re-rounded the peak of the pin holder.
              If it cant be fixed with a hammer, use a bowling pin.

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              • #8
                You could dab some lane conditioner on the pin holder as well. Are these pins pretty mushy through the middle, and does it make any difference which way they go up? In one machine or many/all?
                Could be, Pin_Head, if you cleaned that frowny face off the head of them, they wouldn't stick .
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                • #9
                  Pin Head I have seen similar problems over the years, at Bennetts Green we used to have increased Pile Ups when it rained, it took awhile but eventually I found the problem to be Rust, in the high humidity environment at Bennetts, because it was between, the Biggest Salt water lake in Australia, Lake Macquarie, and the Pacific Ocean. I counteracted the problem by religiously wiping out the Pinwheels with a Mr Sheen type of product, everyday, which I brought in volume.

                  I did see another problem with the Machines at Forster, of a similar nature, this was a more pronounced sticking problem but the Pinwheels had been worked on because where they stored them they were Rusting badley, as I only helped for 8 weeks just after they opened, I never seen the final outcome or if they resolved the problem, you may have to talk to Terry Maloney on that subject as I got them to Employ him as he lived closer at Harrington.

                  Frank
                  always doing my best.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ted View Post
                    You could dab some lane conditioner on the pin holder as well. Are these pins pretty mushy through the middle, and does it make any difference which way they go up? In one machine or many/all?
                    Could be, Pin_Head, if you cleaned that frowny face off the head of them, they wouldn't stick .
                    LOL



                    The pins are pretty firm actually for 3 year old pins, oh Ted the grumpy face makes my pins work better lol, yeah it ONLY happens on base first pins, head first pins are fine. and only on lane 7 no other lane, even after a pin change and cleaning the pinwheel it still happens...

                    Will definitely tell him to try clutchplates trick of re rounding the holders....
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                    • #11
                      I wonder if some nuffy has put the wrong pin holders / or pinwheel on?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ted View Post
                        You could dab some lane conditioner on the pin holder as well. Are these pins pretty mushy through the middle, and does it make any difference which way they go up? In one machine or many/all?
                        Could be, Pin_Head, if you cleaned that frowny face off the head of them, they wouldn't stick .
                        I thought we oiled the pins for better carry.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rivmike View Post
                          I thought we oiled the pins for better carry.
                          Oh no...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rivmike View Post
                            I thought we oiled the pins for better carry.

                            Oh that old chestnut again LOL
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                            • #15
                              LOL...bend it?


                              the more i think about it the more it seems like it would have to be the pinholders or the pin wheel. if there was a bent support bracket for the kidney or a rubber was tearing it would show up on head first pins too. same thing with pinwheel slop it should be a problem both ways. Please let us know what you find pinhead.
                              Last edited by Grit; 05-08-2012, 08:38 AM.
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