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  • I HATE PRACTICE ON FIRST BALL ONLY!!!!

    Still new to this, but am I wrong? What are others thoughts on this? I think that having league practice on first ball all the time is havoc through practice, and for the first 15 minutes of league until you get the stupid things put back where they go. It feels like a earthquake standing up there during practice... Bowlers firing as many shots as fast as they can, pins flying everywhere, and machines shaking all over.. Just had to vent, the owner doesn't believe me, so I am wasting my breath, but just wondered what others thought...

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    My league just started this last season. As a bowler I think this is great, as I never got to throw more than one frame on each lane before. Now you can get through the rotation 4 or 5 times. As far as the machine is concerned...I don't think it knows the difference.
    I can't even spell Brunsw-ick anymore!!!

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    • #3
      That's the best time to walk the machines and check for issues. Taking care of something stupid you find is better at that time than during league. I tell all the guys I work with to walk up and down during the 10-15 minutes of practice.
      Failed safety course.Question #1:In case of fire what steps do you take? Apparently 'Friggin long ones!" is the wrong answer.

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      • #4
        Hi. New to this forum, but please accept my thanks for the comradeship and sharing that is so evident here. As to first-ball practice, as a league bowler I prefer it. Over 50% of all throws are at the full rack. As a mechanic (Brunswick A - A2), 'converting' the machines to first-ball-only (actually second-ball-only) is simple but, yes, time-consuming to reconvert after the practice session. As far as the impact on the machines, remember 'shadow bowling'? Not the same with 10 pins to help absorb the impact.

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        • #5
          Most of the guys in my house just shoot once and then move to the other lane. I wish that we had our machines.
          It only took two years and two new owners to finally be allowed to come in and work on lanes before we open........

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          • #6
            Barback is right, when people bowled without pins it destroyed the machines.

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            • #7
              First ball only/full rack sounds nice....but I personally use practice to deal with spare shooting; the pocket will be the pocket unless the shot was messed with. I personally prefer to see spare shots to try for.

              As a mechanic, I'd rather the machines operate in the same mode they do during game play. No converting, no only setting this or that, no extra changing anything -- whether it is a scoring setting or not. During league, open and tourney play, the machines have their cycles they go through and so it should stay or start that way for practice as well.

              My opinion.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by loadtoad View Post
                As a mechanic, I'd rather the machines operate in the same mode they do during game play. No converting, no only setting this or that, no extra changing anything -- whether it is a scoring setting or not. During league, open and tourney play, the machines have their cycles they go through and so it should stay or start that way for practice as well.

                My opinion.
                I must agree, practice with no pins is bad. After the pins get knocked down the first time there is nothing to slow concurrent balls as they are fired down the lane, so you now have balls, possibly heavy ones, hitting the cushions with nothing breaking the impact. Cushion weldments don't like that very much. We used to do that here many years ago and since we stopped (coincidence maybe) our cushions seem to last a lot longer and we can't do it now even if they wanted to as it's not 'wired' into Qubica that way, which I like. Sure it's nice for the bowlers but there is only 10 pins there once, and after they are gone there is nothing but pins getting knocked everywhere and cushions getting hammered. From a mechanical standpoint, IMO, it's NOT good for the machine- especially the cushions. Personally, I like to practice WITH pins as I can more easily see exactly where my ball is going and what it is doing, without pins it's really only a guess.

                I'm sure there are those that do not agree with me but, whatever, do what you want in your own center and see what happens.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tablejam View Post
                  it's not 'wired' into Qubica that way

                  I believe they are, as you have the same system as us. It is just a change in the front end settings...We only do it for the men's leagues.
                  I can't even spell Brunsw-ick anymore!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pinfeed View Post
                    I believe they are, as you have the same system as us. It is just a change in the front end settings...We only do it for the men's leagues.
                    There are two terminals for each lane in the FBOX labeled 'practice' on ours there is no cable at all going to those terminals so I believe we cannot have practice with no pins, which is fine with me.

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                    • #11
                      I guess That's the difference, as we have 6 boxes.
                      I can't even spell Brunsw-ick anymore!!!

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                      • #12
                        Me too for AMF machines a far as NO pins. When we leased machines, that was extra $ we didn't have to send to AMF. Owning machines, I'd prefer the pins slow the ball every thim.
                        If you can convince the owner to have the machine cycle normally to 2nd ball, then you could tell the bowlers if they want a full rack for the next ball, foul.
                        Same would be true on Brunswick machines if you had the Fbox and NPS working the way it is supposed to.

                        As far as the six box, it won't do instructomat.
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                        This post is not an unpaid promotion of my business.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ted View Post
                          Me too for AMF machines a far as NO pins. When we leased machines, that was extra $ we didn't have to send to AMF. Owning machines, I'd prefer the pins slow the ball every thim.
                          If you can convince the owner to have the machine cycle normally to 2nd ball, then you could tell the bowlers if they want a full rack for the next ball, foul.
                          Same would be true on Brunswick machines if you had the Fbox and NPS working the way it is supposed to.

                          As far as the six box, it won't do instructomat.

                          How about having the option by putting a switch under the hinged capping behind the foul unit. It sets the machine into continuous foul AND disconnects the buzzer. Would that bypass everything if you wanted 1st ball only practice?
                          Failed safety course.Question #1:In case of fire what steps do you take? Apparently 'Friggin long ones!" is the wrong answer.

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                          • #14
                            TJ: Its a function in Conqueror, not in the Interface.

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                            • #15
                              Actually our league bowlers seem to like practicing at pins, when we made the switch there really was no complaining.

                              Originally posted by StahlsSeventys View Post
                              TJ: Its a function in Conqueror, not in the Interface.
                              Ok thanks, still learning this system. But then that brings up the question, in the FBOX, what are the 'practice' wires for- that I do not have?


                              The two pairs of wires with diodes from the 'practice' terminals go to TB-5 A&MC and ground. So if I do not have these wires and for some crazy reason I wanted to practice with no pins, I can still do that through Conqueror?

                              I would have posted the FBOX wiring diagram but wasn't sure that was allowed.

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