another table problem...................................

[mrmoparbair]

so after a huge bang last night it was a table hitting the pin deck. the threaded link to the bearing on the table drive broke. it was clearly in a bind..i replace all that...leveled table made a level bubble and all the pins are perfectly on spot..however the latch that grabs the spot arm to keep the cups tipped is to far forward this not grabbing it and holding it in spotting mode.i can't adjust the spotting rod far enough to make it happen which i don't really want to do anyway to change when the cups pull away from the pins...is it possible that spot lever with the single spring on it is bent? the rod clearly has to be made much longer but it can't be or the spotting will be incorrect.. any suggestions?

[rivmike]

so after a huge bang last night it was a table hitting the pin deck. the threaded link to the bearing on the table drive broke. it was clearly in a bind..i replace all that...leveled table made a level bubble and all the pins are perfectly on spot..however the latch that grabs the spot arm to keep the cups tipped is to far forward this not grabbing it and holding it in spotting mode.i can't adjust the spotting rod far enough to make it happen which i don't really want to do anyway to change when the cups pull away from the pins...is it possible that spot lever with the single spring on it is bent? the rod clearly has to be made much longer but it can't be or the spotting will be incorrect.. any suggestions?

When the table crashes it will twist/bend the cast (spot/respot) arms. I try to tweak them back with a large cresent or pipe wrench with a pipe for more leverage. usually it is just the respot adj. where it won't clear the pawl.

[mrmoparbair]

that definetely did happen..on the respot arm...it is clearly twisted......should i change both of them? i repositioned table and still no luck on spot arm catching the hook, to tilt cups

[Pietenpol]

When they get twisted they get shorter. If you can't get enough adjustment by lengthening them then they need to be straightened or replaced. As long as they are not rubbing on anything it and the machines sets pins it doesn't hurt to have a bent one on.

[Tablejam]

When they get twisted they get shorter. If you can't get enough adjustment by lengthening them then they need to be straightened or replaced. As long as they are not rubbing on anything it and the machines sets pins it doesn't hurt to have a bent one on.

This is true. But my question is.... how does the spot arm get bent outward? If the table fell during spotting the latch would have locked the top of it and if there was any bending, because of that the lever should possibly get bent inward, how could this cause it to bend away from the spot latch? You mentioned you levelled the table but is it still flagged in the correct position? If the table somehow moved back (which would cause a re adjustment of spotting and respotting) it would be farther from the front of the machine meaning the control rods would need to be lengthened. Something does not seem right here.

[mrmoparbair]

the spot rod needs to be lengthened but when i put it where it needs to be it messes up the stop bolt for pulling cups away..i will just lengthen it where it needs to be and see what happens.. it spots pins perfectly if i push it in where its supposed to be but under power the hook misses the spot arm

[Tablejam]

I still think something is off, the table is too far back or too low or not level.

[mrmoparbair]

going to do all table adjustments per original manual...thanks for all the help everybody...posting soon!

[mrmoparbair]

ok so i re leveled established proper height set the toe.it spots pins perfectly..however since the respot lever is bent the respot cells hesitate real bad because the cam follower comes off the cam..i will change that in the early afternoon and im sure it will button up this project..thanks guys...you all are very important people to me

[Tablejam]

So the table was out of position? Sounds like the spot ltach problem was solved.

Per the book, how big is the gap between the pawl and finger link?

If the respot cam follower is leaving the surface of the cam with the table at respot height, it could be hitting the stop bolt for the arm. On the front of the machine there are two stop bolts near the bottom and behind the spot/respot levers, near where the rods connect to the arms. If the bolt for the respot lever is out too far it can stop and hold the respot arm when the table is going down which causes the cam follower to leave the surface of the cam, which can result in loss of cell drive and a hesitation or pause in their movement when they close and open. You can turn these bolts in all the way or just remove them altogether as they are not needed anymore.

The yellow circle in the pic below shows where these bolts would be located behind the arms.

[mike_edge]

WOW!! table cams!! i aint seen them in a while. Got no cams like that on ours anymore. upgrades are brilliant

[Grit]

have you checked out the spot and respot lever as well as the bushings in the long 3/8 bolt through the spot latch on the top? those bolts and bushings can bend and wear giving you lots of headache.

[mrmoparbair]

thanks everybody, i ended up changing the respot lever spot lever bolt and bushings...good as new..thanks to all