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  • 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

    i have been having this problem more often then usually, in the past i have been able to fix it by adjusting the trip rod or the clutch.trip arms and bin tracks are fine.
    has anybody else been having this problem and if so what have you done to repair it.

    thanks
    jim
    jim k.

  • #2
    Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

    Jim I had same problem years ago. Head pin falls through shuttle when the table is spotting or respotting wood. Drill a third hole in your shuttle under the top bolt and push your pin guides down and rebolt. This will cause your guides to lie flatter.

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    • #3
      Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

      jim, i had that trouble on one machine years ago and tried everything to correct it. it was the headpin. one day when i was walking along the top of the machines i noticed that the end of the trip horns were sitting further away from the no.1 chute rails than the rest. this meant that the pin was having to "jump" across a gap of about 1 1/2" to roll down the chute. this made the pin bounce and virtually stand up as it entered the bin. the problem i then found was actually in the pinwheel cover,there was a small dint,possibly the backend had been dropped when installed, and this made the top of the pinwheel cover bend back which made the top distributor mounting bracket also move back off line. to overcome the problem at the horns i removed the rollers off the horns and fitted nylon slides in their place that extended past the end of the horns. as the dist. was uniformly out of alignment with all the bins this mod. improved all bin loading. and voila no more upright pins in the 1 cup on lane 14.
      regards,len.
      Regards,

      Len.

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      • #4
        Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

        gps is right i work at 9 centers see this problem every once in a while .

        drill new back hole above old hole in 1 pin guild rails and mount lower problem gone


        [This message has been edited by bowlingpinman (edited 11-10-1999).]

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        • #5
          Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

          All my 1 pin rails have been redrilled like GPS described. One other thing to check is that the dist belt isn't to tight causing a pulsating forward and back at the 1 pin. And of course make sure the rail guides are parallel to each other on the one pin guides and the index fingers.

          Tech

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          • #6
            Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

            are you using vantage fingers, if so, get rid of them, is your dizzy at the correct height from the bin, is your trip fingers binding and is your mounting pole straight

            these guys keep scaring the hell out of me when the start drilling here there and everywhere
            i don't need mods, i am a bloody genius

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            • #7
              Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

              Jim
              I also Drilled the holes and lowered my head
              pin guides about a year ago
              and I haven't had the head pin fall thorough
              in A longtime
              and the holes that I drilled haven't
              effected my equipment
              this is the only way to go

              ------------------
              TIM
              Colerain bowl




              [This message has been edited by TIM (edited 01-10-2000).]

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              • #8
                Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                Oh yes.. We are all much smaller than the engineers who designed these machines... that is why we do the work for peanuts....
                You don't need to drill any holes... although it may actually fix it...
                I kind of think it is a height adjustment or possibly the rubber bumpers in the bin at the head pin position...
                Machines are better than people... I can fix a machine...

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                • #9
                  Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                  Hello All,

                  I think that we should look at the topic:

                  1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                  Is it the Head Pin? or is it 1 particular pin
                  that is falling through.

                  Head Pin:
                  all previous posts are worthy.

                  Not head pin:
                  Whole differrent Story.

                  Doc

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                  • #10
                    Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                    SEEN THIS PROBLEM SEVERAL TIMES, GPS & TIM HAVE THE RIGHT IDEA!!. LOWERING THE GUIDE RAILS FOR THE HEAD PIN WILL FIX YOUR PROBLEM, WORKED SEVERAL TIMES FOR ME,ALSO A QUICK FIX ,RUN 21 PINS IN THE PROBLEM LANE

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                    • #11
                      Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                      Check to see if the distributor is not to high at the #1 position this can happen if the dist has been raised from the cross member and not at the dist suport post .
                      Timbo

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                      • #12
                        Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                        I agree with Doc.
                        But no matter which pin it is, check your table level & height. If it's too far from the shuttle the 1st pin into the cup won't hold the 2nd one high enough to stay completely above the pin holders. The 2nd pin may just stand up or it may go all the way thru. You may need to lower the machine or at least lower the rear of the bin using the brackets on each side. If a full move is too much you can go just a half move by using only one of the two screws. (I know it doesn't sound like much but only one screw will hold just fine) Also make sure that tbl is stopping at mech 355 degrees, not at 0 degrees.

                        [This message has been edited by dutch (edited 06-08-2000).]

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                        • #13
                          Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                          I have heard of this problem at our center. Why dont you move the shuttle back a bit. Instead of drilling extra holes. Also check for binds in your shuttle around the frame counter. That might cause the shuttle to not disengage fully.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                            jim k, make sure your table is stopping at 355 degrees. If it is to low this can allow a pin to slip through during shuttling. Been there. lol!

                            [This message has been edited by Handel (edited 06-17-2000).]

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                            • #15
                              Re: 1 pin falling thru bin and shuttle causing pin jams

                              i had this problem on a machine ..it ended up being the dist. belt was too long. cut the belt...problem gone. the dist. was setting too far over the head pin bin and when it would drop it would end up standing up and falling through the bin.
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