If you are seeing this you are not logged in to Bowl-Tech. Remove this notice by Registering or Logging in
By your continued use of this site you agree to the following.
You are over the age of 18 and have had supervised training in safety and operations of the equipment you work on.
Bowl-Tech does not warrant or guarantee the accuracy of information found on this site. Bowl-Tech, its officers, site Admins or Moderators will not be responsible in the case of losses financial or otherwise as a result of use of ANY information on this site.
Bowl-Tech is not a substitute for proper training on bowling equipment maintenance. You will seek personal training from trained professionals within your center with regards to safety & maintenance practices while working on bowling equipment.
Posts on the site are made by registered members and each member is responsible for the content and accuracy of their posts.
If you can not agree to any of these terms of use above or are not at least 18 years of age you are asked NOT to visit Bowl-Tech or utilize its content. To visit the Bowl-Tech Terms of Service and Rules CLICK HERE
Please join our community. It is easy and gives you additional access to forums and other tools. CLICK HERE to join
I have 82-70's with Accuscore Plus. The problem happens when I cycle the machine fron the mechanics panel, or rerack it from the bowlers console.
If the machine is on first ball and I press the cycle button, the sweep drops, table feels for pins, takes them up, sweep takes away dead wood, then when the table gets to the top with the pins in the fingers, the machine goes into strike cycle and trys to set a full rack on top of the pins that are already in the fingers. As you can imagine this results in some very nasty things.
I'm lost. I can't understand where the machine is getting strike cycle info from. If the bowler throws a ball all is fine, but not from the mechanics panel. Also does the same thing from the bowlers console. Pin falls over during spotting, rerack left lane, big mess. Push the reset button and all is well.
Wow, that is confusing. The only thing I can think of is that you have a bad or broken respot cell wire, either from the table to the plug, or from the plug to the chassis. I'm sure you've already checked all these things though. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I've never seen this before, Good Luck.
Give me a hammer and some duct tape and I can fix it!
With AMF AccuScore Plus, there are 2 types of cycles....an RPO (Respot Pins Only) and a Scoring Cycle. There are only 3 ways to issue an RPO command to an AMF 82/70 SS or MP. They are: The mechanics cycle button on the BE Control Box, the Front Desk Cycle Option thru Advantage, and the Re-Rack from the BT. If the machine is cycled from those points, the CWC tells the scanner/camera to ignore any pincount...thereby relying on the wires on your respot cells for info to the chassis. So, if any or all of your wires have been bypassed improperly, you will have this problem. On the other hand, if the pinsetter is cycled using the Cushion Start Switch, Ball return button, ball detector ass'y, or the cycle button on the MP Chassis, the CWC will utilize the camera for pinfall and tell the Pinsetter chassis how to respond; i.e. Shortened Strike cycle, 7/10 pickoff, etc.
Hope this helps and is not too confusing...post again if your need more help.
Kat
"Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"
Kat nailed it....sounds like you have MP chassis. and when a non-scoring cycle button is used the machine relies on the wires in the table to detect pins. the easy way out is to use a terminal chair with the ground wire in the wire way between the capacitors and perminately ground one respot cell. yes when a non scoring cycle button is used the machine will go through a complete first ball cycle whether or not pins are there.....but it beats the alternative
at a seperate house i worked at.....i removed all wiring...including the table cable...and used a little jumper wire from the ground to the #1 cell on all lanes.
Coors: Good point. In fact, the new chassis that I am running now which are the Ultra 98 Plus from Creative (Same as AMF Superstar) have the circuits for Respot cells automatically grounded in the chassis. So on any RPO Strike cycle, the pinsetter will go to second ball with a phantom rack. Only circuit used in table wiring is GP switch.
Keeks: Make sure if you do decide to by-pass your table wiring, your ground out at least 1 circuit in your WIREWAY or MP Chassis.
"Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"
Hey Coors, don't feel bad. If you remember I have a relay chassis with a stepper relay running the show. Fortunatly it runs a 70 machine and not a 30. The side of the chassis reads "assembled by Thomas Edis " I couldn't make out the rest.
Hey GPS...Have ya ever considered converting the chassis to use an Omega-Tek board. If so what all is involved in allowing the board to run the show. and if memory serves....the mask plug on the B's isnt it a C1 plug which faces forward toward the masking unit?...just curious. I wouldnt mind havin a workin B chassis just for novelty...lol
speakin of chassis headaches...lane 14 has had a few "fake out of ranges"...about one a week...nothin to get too concerned over yet. well i grounded the GP in the wireway to rule it out and still had another one tonight.
so between shifts i swapped chassis with 15....well after practice for late shift...15 isnt scoring second ball...every chassis i put on 15 wouldnt score second ball...yet they did work when put on another lane...naturally it has to be somethin in the plugs...but i cant see anything obvious.
long story short drank a few extra tonight after work rewirin the Chassis plugs...with my cheapo crimpers...lol and WaLah it works...
i hate it when ya try to solve one mystery and create several more while tryin'....lol
Had this problem on lane 1 last week. "B" Mechanic made a mess of my table wiring jumping wires all over the place...any my poor GP switch, well let's not go there.
Anyway, I got called in and discovered a bad CTM-1. Just in case it happens again on same lane with you.
Kat
"Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"
for the most part my GP's are by-passed.....but on several of them i still have them hooked up for novelty reasons...at a house i worked at which had MP chassis...i removed all wiring including the GP switch.
at my present house i've got SS's...a few have expander cards...but all tables have all wiring...so whats the big deal with two more wires? all my GP's are adjusted to not actuate until fingers are over halfway closed anyhow (incase there is a pin in table/broken finger/cup locking the fingers closed) so its not that big a deal
Good morning, I have built a tester for the MP Chassis for the 82-70 machines. Instead of using the cam switches I am using relays. My question is to anyone that may...
Is anyone running the solderless relays on the accelerators? How do you like them? What brand? How difficult to convert was it? Would love the feed back as I'm about to switch...
Working...
X
We process personal data about users of our site, through the use of cookies and other technologies, to deliver our services, personalize advertising, and to analyze site activity. We may share certain information about our users with our advertising and analytics partners. For additional details, refer to our Privacy Policy.
By clicking "I AGREE" below, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our personal data processing and cookie practices as described therein. You also acknowledge that this forum may be hosted outside your country and you consent to the collection, storage, and processing of your data in the country where this forum is hosted.
Comment