82-70's

[proshop]

I am gathering information for a group of investors that are in the process of buying a 24 lane center with AMF 82-70 machines. These where installed in 1980. The center had manual scoring system. They would like to upgrade these machines to work with the latest computer scoring technology and scanning systems. What needs to be done here to bring these machines to the 21st century?

[Coors]

Re: 82-70's

nothing needs to be done to ready the machines for auto scoring. If you are referring to having a machine interface with the scoring (shortened strike cycle, sweep reverse on a gutter)youll have all the advanced functions available with automatic scoring if these machines have "MP chassis" & "AMF or Qubica" automatic scoring.

if you have "SS chassis" and want the scoring interface functions youll need to purchase an "expander board" which will allow an ss chassis to act like an MP.

other things to consider....whether they have kicker or PBL ball returns....you want PBL's

other than that good luck with your center

[GPS]

Re: 82-70's

Hey Proshop, 1980 machines are not ancient by any means. Just broke in. Mine were installed in late 63. We installed AS90 scoring system and everythin went well. No bells and whistles but they do work. Take a good look at Qubica. Everyone seems to be happy with this system. Good luck.

[Dutch]

Re: 82-70's

proshop,
You might want to look into another scoring system that's becoming popular. It's called "Strike 10".
I'm not sure of too many details, but what I do know sounds pretty good.
All of the hardware can be purchased locally. The monitors for example, are just normal TV's.
The software is customized for your center. If you want something special included they'll write the program.

[shamefowjze]

Re: 82-70's

I BELEIVE YOU'RE THINKING OF TWELVE STRIKE. IN ANY CASE STAY AWAY FROM TWELVE STRIKE. THE SYSTEM IS A HUNK OF S**T! I'VE DEALT WITH THEM FOR TOO LONG AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE THEIR SYSTEM OUT OF MY CENTER. IF THEY SPENT AS MUCH TIME TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM, RATHER THAN WRITING BUGS IN THE PROGRAM TO SCREW WITH EACH OTHER DURING INSTALATION. YOUR MONEY WOULD BE BETTER INVESTED, IF YOU WENT WITH A MORE REPUTABLE SCORING SYSTEM, BRUNSWICK, AMF, OR QUBICA......SHAMEFOWJZE

[Guest]

Re: 82-70's

Pro Shop
If you do have Solid state chassis using the five board system and you are wanting to upgrade. Stay away from AMF's expansion cards buy the omega-tek and the expansion card it has for scoring. Unlike AMF it carries a lifetime warranty if it fails they send you a brand new one. That makes it worthwhile.
Also, as for the machines a good blitz right at the beginning would work wonders and you may even be able to capitalize the cost in the acquisition price. Which will save you money and create harmony for the bowlers.
What type of FBR's do you have there? I would spend the money to upgrade that system simply because most of the FBR's made in the 80's by AMF was crap and the bowlers will definately notice an improvement there.

[Coors]

Re: 82-70's

if FBR's means front ball returns and you are referring to sure piks....im sure im in the minority but i luv sure piks....there isnt anything wrong with them

[Dutch]

Re: 82-70's

I agree with Coors. The "S" style lifts are just a tiny bit better, but the sure pik is a good unit. The only problem with the sure pik is the fiberglass ball trays are hard to come by when they break.

[Guest]

Re: 82-70's

Hey Dutch, I have a couple of spare racks that you can have, along with some hoods too. To tell you the truth, I dont miss the sure picks at all. Used to have a lot of problems until I started cleaning the leather strap a couple of times a month. But that is still more work then I have time for.

[Coors]

Re: 82-70's

i like the fact that sure piks can lift the ball higher than the S style lifts....easier on the back

[jim k]

Re: 82-70's

if you are going to purchase a scoring system be aware that if you have mk70 boards with the expander card in your amf chassis the brunswick frameworx will not interface with it !!!! you will have to remove the expander card, thats what happened to me.
however the frameworx system is great, we have the touchscreens and the bowlers love them

[Dutch]

Re: 82-70's

Jim, do you know if Frameworx will interface with an MP chassis? How about the BOSS?

We have both the MP & the Expanders (with AMF scoring) & they both interface the same way.

We're looking at getting a new scoring system & don't want to get screwed out of the advantages of these boards.

[Coors]

Re: 82-70's

MP/Expander's will interface with any AMF & Qubica scoring...i know it will not interface with AS80/90's jim says it wont with frameworx. couldnt tell ya about the others(mendes, computer score, strike 12,etc).

[Guest]

Re: 82-70's

The APS will interface with the Mendes scoring giving all the usual APS functions.
You need to be careful to get the timing right though since Mendes allows for adjustable read delay.
On another note does anyone know how long the APS window is (ie how long from the start signal until APS data must be read)
if its too long the machine will continue with a normal cycle.Does it vary with diffent MP/expander boards?
Kelvin

[This message has been edited by Kelvin (edited 06-03-2000).]

[Coors]

Re: 82-70's

the time delay is 2 - 4 secs. and this can be set with the little plastic screw adjustment on the one of the three boards PFAC/MPU/PSEN cant remember which one.