table cables

[jim k]

i have taken out all my old table cables, upper and lower and have replaced them with just a simple and cheap lamp cord. one wire goes to all 10 respot cells and the other goes to the gps. i have mk-70 boards in my 82-70's and some have the expander cards but i have brunswick frameworx and the scoring will not interface with the machine. my masking units have no pindication. has anybody else tried this or have a better way ?
if so lets hear it.

[Dutch]

Re: table cables

Either way you do it you still need to have a wire going to each RSC. It sounds good in theory but the lamp cord is not as flexible as the original (40 strand) RSC wire & will break faster.
We have MK-70’s with Expanders on all 50 lanes. We left the RSC wires in place & just disconnected the table cables. If we need to disconnect the expander interface for one reason or another, all we have to do is plug the table back in. The GPS is wired direct at the terminal board between the combo capacitors. (Both large yellow wires from the chassis on the same terminal. It can be done inside the chassis too but this is the easiest.) Since our GPS is bypassed, when we run out of wire to repair RSC wires, we just pull one of the GPS wires off of a table & we’ve got enough 40 strand wire to last a year or so. The only wire I know of that will outlast the 40 strand stuff is robotic wire but it costs an arm & a leg.
BTW - If Frameworks won't interface with the machines, why do you have Expanders?
Dutch

[Guest]

Re: table cables

Jim: If you are going to replace the table wires, then i would go to like radio shack, buy a huge reel of like 22 AWG wire. Atleaast its flexible and it is solid wire not strans. Heck you could even go 18 AWG. I have to ask, why are you replacing the original table wire?? did someing drastic happen to make it necessary?

deadwood

[Dutch]

Re: table cables

Deadwoody,
Solid core wire breaks. Even small gauge solid core wire doesn't flex for very long. Why do you think they use a wire with so many little strands in it?
Dutch

[This message has been edited by dutch (edited 09-13-2000).]

[Kat]

Re: table cables

Dutch:

deadwoody.....LOL!

Jim & everyone else...

I think he is stuck with the table cable in the table because of the fact he has Brunswick scoring. AS-80, 90, and Frameworx, all rely on the table wiring for proper pinsetter operation. The Brunswick scoring does not utilize the APS plug on MP Chassis as does AMF or Qubica (with optional interface.) Removing the table cable is not an option because, while the scorer will score correctly, the pinsetter will either set pins on top of pins, or respot a phantom rack...depending how thy're bypassed.
Unfortunately, no alternative here Jim. So, I would stick with the factory issue table cable and plug assembly. If wires breaking and coming off are an issue, Vantage makes a really nice respot wire support gizmo...which takes some load off the connector area.

Kat

[Guest]

Re: table cables

Well Dutchy.... I dont know what type of table assy you have but on mine we have small twisted strans as well. Although im sure if I needed to splice a wire that I would be able to use solid at 18 AWG. IT is flexable enough to where it wont snap like you claim. I have used solid wireing everywhere even in the electronic biz and I have never seen wire snap like you claim. You must have some out of adj pinsetters or something because any pinsetter that violent to mess up table wires is shurely out of adj.

Deadwood

[jim k]

Re: table cables

DUTCH YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE 4O STRAND WIRE BEING MORE FLEXABLE BUT IT COST TO MUCH. AND FOR WHAT IT COST FOR ONE UPPER AND LOWER TABLE CABLE I REWIRED ALL 48 LANES AND HAD MONEY LEFT OVER AND I EVEN PUT A HIGH QUALITY SHRANK RAP ON IT FOR STRESS RELIEF.MY OLD TABLE CABLES WHERE ALL DRY ROTTTED AND HAD SEVERAL SPLICES IN THEM SO I JUST REPLACED THEM THE CHEAPEST WAY I COULD.
SO FAR I HAVE'NT HAD ANY TROUBLE.MY GPS SWITCHES DO WORK AND I WILL NEVER BYPASS THEM AND WE USED TO HAVE AMF ACCUSCORE PLUS SCORING THATS WHY I HAVE SOME EXPANDER CARDS I LOVE THEM AND MISS THEM.

JCP SELLS THE 40 STRAND WIRE BY THE FOOT TO IF ANYBODY WHATS TO KNOW.

THANKS FOR YOUR REMARKS AND KEEP EM COMMIN'

JIM K.

[Dutch]

Re: table cables

Jim,
You'll probably be OK with the shrink-wrap for stress relief, good thinking. Ours haven't started to dry rot (yet). One house is 22 yrs old & the other is 30+ yrs old. It might have something to do with being in a dry climate. Who knows?

Deadwood,
Go for it. Set up a test lane with all 10 RSC's having solid core wire. Depending on how much play your house gets, I'll bet the first one breaks in 3-6 months. It'll break right at the terminal or where it comes out of the wireway. Remember that in (most) electronic applications you don't have the wires being twisted back & forth like a RSC does. Try it & if you honestly don't have a broken wire in 6 months, I'll eat crow or any other bird you want.
Dutch

[Guest]

Re: table cables

Have to agree with Dutch on this one. Nothing beats flexibility like very high multi-stranded wire for flexibility.

Yes, it is more expensive, but you get what you pay for!!!

In my opinion using solid core for flexibility, defines Mickey Mousing to the Max!

Tech

[Guest]

Re: table cables

Double posted please remove.

[This message has been edited by Tech_Mech (edited 09-18-2000).]

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Re: table cables

Deadwood,
If solid core wire is so much cheaper than stranded and can hold up to vibration like stranded...then why is stranded used in high movement and high vibration applications. I guess all those design engineers should be talking with you about applications with wiring harnesses. In 25 years of electronics work, I have never seen solid core wire used where vibration or movement is involved. It's all just a big conspiracy against solid core wire...LOL.

Just my two cents worth...

Steve

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Re: table cables

Deadwood…I just read a post you made a few weeks ago…

"Dutch: Of course i would check my csm1 capacitor. Thats the next place after i check the contactor. But, when your cap is good, and its just the heat why not attach a heat sink..that is not a mickey mouse dutch. A Mickey mouse is is when you do someting in place of doing the right thing. Adding is not mickeymousing. Inplace of is. Adding the heat sink is a way of dealing with an enviornmental problem. Deadwood"


I could be wrong…but isn't using solid core wire "In Place of" stranded wire "Mickey Mousing" in your own words???

Just an observation…

Steve


[This message has been edited by JBEES (edited 09-19-2000).]

[Guest]

Re: table cables

JBEES: In this case it would be not because as jim said, that the proper wire would be to expensive. Expensive for 48 lanes. If it were just 1 lane then I would say that he should definently get the proper wiring. I think everyone is using the Mickey Mouse term as a cop out because they dont know what the true term of the "Mickey Mouse, or Jury Rig" really is. Solid Core wiring sheethes will not rot like twisted wire will because it is a softer plastic. Ive used it in car stereo for years and it has been vibrated with sub sonic db and weather beaten.
Just my 5 Cents

deadwood

[Guest]

Re: table cables

Why would any one Mickey Mouse anything, if it wasn't because of a cost factor?

Duh...Ok George. Which way'd he go George.

Deadwood, I don't know where you get your wire but the stuff on my machines is over 30 years old with no rot…with the exception of the SO type wire.

You might be getting tired of staying quiet for long enough...but what was that famous proverb by Abe Lincoln…

“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

Yes…I know that’s its probably not the “exact quote” but I’m sure the wiser will get the point.

Tech


[This message has been edited by Tech_Mech (edited 09-19-2000).]

[Steve Stafford (JBEES)]

Re: table cables

Deadwood...so you're saying its OK to "Mickey Mouse" something on all your lanes but not on just one? If something is good enough for one lane...isn't it good enough for all of them. Using something "in place of" the right thing is as you said...Mickey Mousing...whether it's one lane or 106 lanes. Do it right the first time...

Just my two cents worth...

Steve