I'm Lost

[Guest]

Friday I replaced one of my old dinasaur 6 board chassis with a new one from Creative technology. It worked great all day long and almost all day Saturday. I robbed a chassis from another machine to finish out the night. It worked the rest of the night. Today when I turned on the machine I have nothing at all. Lights come one but nothing else happens. Do you think I have had a flameout with the new chassis? Or connector plug or something else. Electrical isn't my strong suit. Help

Cal

[psrts]

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Spanky:
When replacing a old 5/6 board chassis with an MP you really need to look at all the C1 sockets, if any show signs of heat " turning blue" corrosion or are loose in the block they need to be replaced. Look at the pins on the C1 of the MP chassis for signs of burning as this would indicate a machine cable problem. Also check the fuses which protect the chassis from damage when a motor sets there and hums.
Last open the chassis and push down on all the connectors, they could have become loose in shipping.
After checking all this if you still have a problem with the chassis call Bill at Creative.

[This message has been edited by psrts (edited 12-04-2000).]

[Guest]

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Spanky: Are you talking about the Brown/Purple SS Chassis? If you have a dead pinsetter the chassis should tell you where the problem is.

deadwood

[Joe]

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Spankey, I don't mean this to sound stupid, but did you push the rest button on the front of the mp chassie? I had a kid working for me one night, called me at home all upset the pit would not start. Had him push the rest button and everything started. If that doesn't do it check the plugs inside, had that happen too. Good luck.

[Guest]

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Ok, I called Creative today and was told to put a capacitor between ts32 and ts34. Where the heck is that? on one of the plugs or what? I hate to sound totally ignorant but I guess I am. Can't seem to find it in my book anywhere.
Cal

[psrts]

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Spankey:
The terminals TS 32 & 34 will be found under the wireway cover on the front of the machine. There are 3 strips and 32 & 34 are on the left strip. You'll want to use a 100
mfd 50VDC Capacitor, the plus lead goes to TS 34 and the minus lead goes to TS 32. This is across the bin switch.

[Dutch]

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In the SS chassis, the SP relay keeps that circuit closed. In the MP chassis the capacitor is needed to keep the circuit closed till the table cams rotate enough to close that circuit. This will help any problem you’re having with the spot cycle suddenly stopping as soon as the pins shuttle. You’ll need to install the capacitors on all of your machines but for your current problem, it sounds like a wild goose chase.
I’m sorry I can’t give you any suggestions. My knowledge of the MP chassis is very limited.
Dutch

[Kat]

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Gentlemen:

When converting from a 5/6 board SS Chassis to an 9800 series or Creative Tech Chassis, you must make sure your wiring system is converted to MP layout. The Creatives are direct replacements for MP Chassis. (I know because I use Creatives here...replaced AMF 9802 MP Chassis.) Make sure all pins and sockets on the C1 and C2A plugs line up and are in good shape. One difference is the fact that the S relay in the MP 9802 (the little blue guy) performs the Sweeps reverse and shortened strike cycle for AMF scoring. Also in the MPs, the Spot Relay utilizes 24VAC instead of the 10VDC in the SS Chassis. So, before adding any Creative MPs I would make sure your pinsetters are wired to factory MP specs---this means no field engineering just to make it work.

Kat

[Dutch]

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Kat,
If you're referring to the capacitor mentioned above, it is part of the MP wiring for the machine. Refer to your block diagram. Other than moving the sweep wires around, that capacitor should be the only other thing needed.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Like I said, I don't know much about MP's. The only experience I have is with one that we used for a spare chassis for a while. The C-1 blew up one day & because it was such a PITA to have just one of them, we never fixed it. Because it was the spare, instead of rewiring all 50 machines, we just made the required wiring changes, including the capacitor, in the chassis. It worked like that for more than 3 years.
Dutch

[Kat]

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Dutch:

You are 100% correct about the cap in the wireway, kinda neat about puttin it in the chassis though! But yes, moving Sweep wires is necessary due to the integration of the SWSR relay for AMF Autoscoring.

Kat

[Guest]

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I have put the cap between the 32 and 34 and still it doesn't work. It stops short from spotting the pins. I checked the fuse in the spotting part of chassis and its fine. I just almost believe I have had a part failure in the new box. It worked fine for 10 or so hours and then quit. I put one of my old boxes back on the machine and it works fine. I think I'll send it back and have it checked out. I was told once that if an electronic part was gonna go it would do it in the first 20 hrs of service. If it lasted longer than that it probably would last the lifetime its supposed to. I thank you all. I will let you know what I find out.
Cal

[Joe]

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Make sure you put the cap. on the right way. If you put it on backwards it won't help, I had the same problem with my new mp's.

[Joe]

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Make sure you put the cap. on the right way. If you put it on backwards it won't help, I had the same problem with my new mp's.

[Dutch]

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Spankey,
I thought you said that you weren’t getting anything except the decklight. Is it functioning now except for the spotting problem? If it is, hold the bin switch lever while the machine tries to spot. (Don’t let the machine know that the 9 pin isn’t in the bin anymore) If it spots OK, you know that the problem is what we’ve been talking about & the capacitor is either reversed or bad.

Kat,
Sorry about the confusion, I thought you were calling the capacitor “field engineering”.
Dutch

[Guest]

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Thanks guys for the info. The problem was in the chassis.