Pin Damage

[Guest]

I am suffering from some very nasty pin damage.
All the marking is on the bottom 5 inches of all the pins in all of my machines.
I have already checked, kickbacks, tailplanks, pin elevator cleats, plows, cushions, spotting cups, bins& shuttles and am at a loss.
Any suggestions!!!
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[Mike Stalker]

Re: Pin Damage

The center I'm at now had a few lanes with awful pin damage. I figured out that the mechanics were running the machines with the curtain folded over the cushion which exposes the angle (distributor support).
What a waste.

[ October 01, 2001: Message edited by: Mike Stalker ]

[Mike Stalker]

Re: Pin Damage

The center I'm at now had a few lanes with awful pin damage. I figured out that the mechanics were running the machines with the curtain folded over the cushion which exposes the angle (distributor support).
What a waste.

[Kat]

Re: Pin Damage

Check these areas:

a) PBL Door ring...sometimes a nasty burr will cause the damage you described.

b) Head Pin Slides on the bin. (I know you mentioned you checked it, but there could be a little burr there too.)

c) Plows---major place for damage.

d) Burrs on any pin pockets on the pinwheel.

e) Burrs on the turn pan.

If these check out good, when you have time (yeah, right!) pull the pit and see if you have pin residue piled up somewhere. This will give you a good idea on where it's coming from.

[Coors]

Re: Pin Damage

off hand i would say the top of the guides (070-006-380)in the 4 or 6 pin bin slots broke off. but on ALL the machines?? (in my opinion remove them, waste of metal)

another place for the bottom 5 inches would be cracked pin cups, which the bottom constantly slides over.

if you like to bend up the ears of your orientation pans, that would be a possible source

broken trip arm/head pin guide rollers.

that's about all i can think of for now
good luck
Coors

[Mok]

Re: Pin Damage

Quote:]Originally posted by Stallion:
I am suffering from some very nasty pin damage.

Any suggestions!!!
[/QUOTE]

PMFJIH, but I wonder if this suggestion might be of some use.

Take a number (perhaps a set of ten) of pins that are either old and beat up, or perhaps the ones you keep aside for Cosmic. Put a coat of fluorescent paint (water soluble, so it cleans up easy when you're done) on the bottom six inches or so of each pin. Put them in the machine and run a couple dozen cycles.

The way I see it, whatever's catching on the pins should have a small pile of glowing paint when you're done.

(This is the part where you get to tell me I'm an idiot, and why it won't work.) :p

[Jimmy Jam]

Re: Pin Damage

Mok, You're an idiot! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
Everybody knows the surlyn pigmant combats water based paint. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

I worked at a 82-10 house that had the same problem. It ended up being the scraper bars.

HooHooHooHaaHaaHaaHeeHeeHee

[JEFF KUHNLE]

Re: Pin Damage

YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DAMAGE IS IN THE BOTTOM HALF OF YOUR PINS.......... I WOULD LOOK THROUGH YOUR SHUTTLE BINS REAL GOOD, PERHAPS THE LITTLE SILVER GUIDES COULD BE THE PROBLEM.

?????
HOPEFULLY

JEFF KUHNLE
TWIN OAKS LANES
TOLEDO OHIO

[Guest]

Re: Pin Damage

Seems like the guys covered most, but are any pins riding the front roller? I'm hoping you have a good carpet also. The mechanic at night needs to be looking for this stuff.

also it won't hurt for you to come in for the first league and watch. I like to rely on my own findings. Good luck.

[vinson]

Re: Pin Damage

If your pin damage is as bad as you say there should be an awful lot of pin chips probably on the x frame or table, this would give you an area to look at, it sounds like the #1 pin guides are sharp. See if pin parts are laying around it.

[Guest]

Re: Pin Damage

THANKS FOR THE TIPS, BUT WHAT NO-ONE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THE MARKING IS ACROSS THE PINS NOT DOWN THEM, SO MOST OF WHAT EVERYONE IS SUGGESTING COULDN'T BE CAUSING THE RIGHT TYPE OF MARKING. COME ON BOYS THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S NOT F*#KING ROCKET SCIENCE, LOVE STALLION!

[Jimmy Jam]

Re: Pin Damage

Oh, now I get it. The answer is so simple only a dumb ass could solve it. Well if thats the case why don't you tell us what it is. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] And then go edit your profile and change what type of machine you work on. That confused me from the get go.
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Hint. There is a machine, not a pinsetter, that can cause horizontal markings on every pin that goes threw it.
Hint, hint. There is another machine, not a pinsetter, that can plow the pins.

[8270king]

Re: Pin Damage

Jimmy Jam

Can I guess?

Would it be a ball return?

Would it be a bowling ball?

Would it be a lino duster?

Maybe it is a lane machine!

Jerry

LMAO

[Lampie]

Re: Pin Damage

I think I know what it is:
It must be that high frequency pins while you have a low freaking pinsetter!

But I could be not give my two cents for being wrong.

Is this any help for you,beside this is not a language?

Naaaaaah, new rounds, more chances.

Mad

[ October 04, 2001: Message edited by: Lampie ]

[Guest]

Re: Pin Damage

I'll break it down for you here:

I realize that the camera/scanner only views the top section of the pin. That DOES NOT mean that you can omit the brushes below that point in your Spin Clean.

Glad to be of service!