82-90xl's

[AmFreak]

First have you ever heard of a 36 lane bowling center without an Extra Dist? I am sorry for being a smart A** ... No, my question is does anybody have the 90's and has had a problem getting the front end motors Free from the Gearboxes... Took three mechanics to break one away the last one I changed... o yea and I don't have any extra gearboxes either! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] And is there a special technique that you have used to make this task easier????? PLEASE HELP!!!! MIke Stalker would sure appreciate it, I think I strained him using his help last time! He had to turn the lights on in his shop!

[Bobby Bee]

Re: 82-90xl's

Yeah, what the heck?!?!?!? We tried to separate the two because just the gear box had to be replaced (warnatee replacement) tried to save AMF a little money. Two of us tried, it was all we could do, we tried everything. Eventually ended up busting the bolt attachment that holds the two together. Said screw it and sent the whole dang thing in. Is there a secret here we don't know about??? Can't wait for the next time after the warantee runs out and we can't just send the whole thing in! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]

BB

[toon30s]

Re: 82-90xl's

We had 8 82-70s for 21 years and never had a spare distributor. One of the things that I hated about them was the high replacement part costs. We ended up replacing the 82-70s with 82-30s [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] . Part of the reason was costs of parts, plus we wrecked several 30s for parts. I think I saw on <a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.bowlingtrader.com" target="_blank">http://www.bowlingtrader.com</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a> that someone had distributors for sale. Good luck!!
Toon

[Mike Stalker]

Re: 82-90xl's

Amfreak, that's because there are two switches.
I have never seen a gearbox and motor frozen together like that one; What a joke! It was like trying to pull apart two dogs while their mating; can't be done. We did get it apart with a little heat in the right spots and a portapower.
I guess your special technic would be to take it to another center and let someone else do it.
Just kidding.
Later

[8270 pinspotter]

Re: 82-90xl's

I guess 82-90 gear boxes are different than 82-70's. I have never had a problem getting the stator off of a gear box. As far as the spare distributor goes, I don't exactly have one either. I had one many years ago, but I took parts off of it. In my opinion, why do you really need one? If something breaks, I would rather replace the indivdual part, not remove the whole dist. I have never had a problem where I would have changed the whole thing anyway. Most of the parts can be changed rather quickly right on the machine. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't worry about have a spare dist.

[Coors]

Re: 82-90xl's

i too have to laugh at the absolute stupidity of the national motor/gear box. It takes three days, to do a 3 minute job. luv westinghouse motors. and its not like a minumum wage pinchaser is gonna have much luck changing/unlodging a national stator, or rewire a SSSS if the need arises. so if a motor goes goofy, its down unless im there, and even then its a PITA.

my method is to swap gear boxes, and/or then put the bolts the wrong way thru the plate and let the three bolts push the motor out of the gear box(provided one of the three feet dont break off in the process)

also, before putting a new motor in, i hold the "shaft" of the motor against a grinder, and then WD-40 the p*ss out of the gearboxes "hole"

[Coors]

Re: 82-90xl's

as for a spare dist. i've never needed one, but i have one just in case. a pinchaser could fubar one (or somethin could just break on one) in the middle of league/tournament. and its nice for the owner, (or whoever goes downback to do somethin about it), to just pop two springs and put on a new dist. and worry about the fubarred one later.

[Guest]

Re: 82-90xl's

Sorry, we don't have 90's, but I would like to reply to Coors' last posts...I agree that the time may arise, when a distributor swap would be a quicker fix...Tom Stahl sells a puller for National motors that works great. (Maybe he has one for yours, AMFFreak???) Instead of WD-40, try brushing antisieze on the shaft, where the motor cover cotacts the gearbox, and in "the hole".

[8270_Wang]

Re: 82-90xl's

WE are a 64 lane center.......2 32 lane sides and we got alot of lineage w/leagues, tournies and open play. We have 3 spare distributors, 4 spare chassis....3 combo motors, 4 backend motors(2 odd and 2 even). Our head mech bowls lots of tournies so it's good for us chasers to have spare parts then he can fix em when he comes back mon [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

[amfpinboy]

Re: 82-90xl's

We ran for 12 years ( 48 lanes ) without a spare distributor. The PT's were dropping the dist's and breaking the nylon gears or taking parts off the spares. I made up another dist. 10 years ago and put a special personal note on it. To date, the dist. just sits there collecting dust.

[Kat]

Re: 82-90xl's

Our spare distributor comes in handy. Every summer when we do distributor maintenance we pull the one off the machine and replace it with the "spare". Then, we go over the one removed with a fine tooth comb and check EVERYTHING. It's much easier when it's out of the machine.

Then it goes on the next machine.

And so forth....

We do this every day until we're through the house. At the end of this yearly project, it becomes and "emergency spare" and a great teaching aid when training pinchasers.

[Drillmn300]

Re: 82-90xl's

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[Mike Stalker]

Re: 82-90xl's

For those of you who do not need a spare dist., well I guess you'll never know how convienent and reassuring it is to have one ready to go on the wall.
Sure, any of us can fix a dist. expediciously; but when I loose a dist due to parts failure I like to go through the whole dist. to ensure that I won't be tearing into it again 30 days later.
I guess that comes from working as a 20 year fisheries production mechanic seasonlly and 15 years in oilfield construction.


Most of us like to do chicken right and a dist. is as sinple of an item as can be, to us...

When you're not at the center and your phone is ringing, calling you into the center because the new hire that you just spent two weeks training can't time the pinion, which doesn't mean a whole lot because the worn is broken; you'll wish you had an spare dist..

Inverted, believe it or not Amfreak's motors are fairly new and have never been separated that is the disheartning BS about his situation.

That's all I have to say
Mike

[Guest]

Re: 82-90xl's

If you can turn the motor head (about 2") after unbolting it from the gearbox, Tom's puller will work, or nothing will.

[Mreessr]

Re: 82-90xl's

when the 82/90 motors are installed they are seperated. A little anti sieze goes a long way when removing the motor from the gearbox. I have never had a problem taking one off.