What The &@%&^@?!?!?

[TheGMan143]

Got a call from the pinchaser last nite: Cushion tubeweld broke, ball door side, on lane 9, but it got through the league pretty well. Okiedokie... told him I'd fix it in the A.M.

Went down there today, dug around in the 'spare pile', and found that SOMEHOW I have only ONE spare for an odd machine, and the rest are for eves... Still no prob, as long as I have a spare. Pulled it out, found that when it was rebuilt, the curtain was put on so it's coming out the BOTTOM of the cushion. Grrrrr... Ripped it apart, put it back the right way, and started to install it. Cushion block on the right was bad, replaced that, then swung the whole shebang into place, bolted it up, and went to put the shock bolt back in... hmmmm, to line up the arm with the shock, I have to swing the cushion up, almost parallel to the lane... it shows no signs of being bent or rewelded anywhere, so what the &^*@&$#@ is going on here?!?!?! Pulled it back out, ran back to my garage (about 15 mins away), welded the broken one and put that one back in... First problem solved.

I'm pretty much ignorant about other 'spotters besides 70s... could it be that someone slipped an 82-30 cushion tubeweld in on me, or is this thing just made wrong??? I'm confuzed.... [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

[Majke]

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Hey Gman, the hangerweldment on the 30 and 70 are the same, What did you drink last night??? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[amf8270mp]

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The hanger weldments are NOT same from a 30 to a 70...the angle of the piece that connects to the shock is different.

[8270king]

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I agree the 30 and 70 weldement are DIFFERENT.

I have 2 spare cushion assemblies for each odd and even lanes already built. These are ready to go. One for each side is not enough. If you have one break then you have no spares. Sometimes distributors are out of stock.

I also have 2 spare bounce plates for each machine ready to go. This for only 16 lanes.

You are only as good as your weakest link. Lanes that do not run do not take in $.

Jerry

[Ed Fox]

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Yes, there is an 030 and a 070 weldment.

Charlie [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[Majke]

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The difference between 30 and 70 is minimal. I used even the shock of a 30 on a 70. works out fine.
U can't use a 70 weldment on a 30 (old style)Thats because of the way the ball is directed towards the ball-door but a 30 weldment fits on a 70.

[TheGMan143]

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Well if this thing is cross-compatible, I'd sure like to know how... There is a difference of almost 6" in the position of a normal 82-70 tubeweld shock arm, and the location of the arm on this oddball. Like I said... it fits in the machine just fine, as long as the shock doesn't have to be connected. I'd have to use a 6" long shock to make it bolt up right.

Needless to say, it's going to have a promising career as a piece of rebar... it's headed for the heap.

I usually have lots of spares for the assemblies that commonly fail. I have 6 spare distributors, (usually) 3 righthand and 3 lefthand cushions, 4 bounce plates, 5 ball lifts, and 4 chasses (chassises?? ). and 2 spare complete 82-70s (just in case.... hey, ya never know). Dunno how I got down to only one spare cushion... must be slipping in my old age...

[Lampie]

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Majke,
As a co-Dutchman I thought you might a little help.............................................. .No sorry can't help you you will have save your own ass(the first try was nice though).
Martin(gegroet)

[len marsden]

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gman,
the shockie arm on the 70 comes back at 90 deg. to the drop arm where the cush. bolts on. the 30 shockie arm is angled up higher at the shockie pin hole. the shockie on the 30 connects forward of the be motor bracket unlike the 70. also the shockie for 30 and 70 are the same length.

regards,
len.

[mechanic8230]

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MINIMAL DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!! What has this guy been smoking? Ed, this can sure be fun sometimes.

[TheGMan143]

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Quote:]Originally posted by mechanic8230:
MINIMAL DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!! What has this guy been smoking? Ed, this can sure be fun sometimes.[/QUOTE]

I'll have to get you guys some pictures of this so you can see it for yourselves... I always heard that a 30 cushion would fit a 70, but there isn't a snoball's chance in hell that this thing is gonna work right...

[knuckles]

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GMAN,I know what you are talking about. If you look in the Vantage book you will see there are four pictures of cushion weldments on the page. Two different styles for odd and even sides. I don't know why they are different, but they are.



I believe I ordered the wrong one and when I installed it the shock and pin hole were way off. I ended up shortening the shock. What a job that was. Anyway the weldment worked for a year then I threw it out.

Hope that helps.

knuckles-larry [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]

[TheGMan143]

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OK, here's what I have, side-by-side so you can compare them (just for argument's sake):



From 15 1/2" to 21 1/4 is quite a diffo... The angle of the cushion mounting AND the shock arm are different as well...

[the old dirt man]

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YOU WANNA use that 30s hanger on a 70 [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]
just move the collar on the cushion shock down about 3/4 of the shock to make the shock about 5"
shorter then it will work. :p CRUD

[TheGMan143]

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Quote:]Originally posted by CRUDWEISER=BUD:
YOU WANNA use that 30s hanger on a 70 [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]
just move the collar on the cushion shock down about 3/4 of the shock to make the shock about 5"
shorter then it will work. :p CRUD[/QUOTE]

Nope... last time I messed with one of those shocks, the seals blew out of it that night and got shock oil all over everything... what a mess. I'm still baffled about how that four ounces of oil turns into about four gallons when it leaks out. I had the bowlers bitchen to me about gunk all over the balls, it got all over the carpet (and therefore all over the pins, distributor, kickers, wheel, lift belt, pin deck, etc...). Took me the better part of my evening after the leagues to clean everything.

Now that we have it settled that it IS an 82-30 part, I'm going to carefully install it in the junk parts pile out back. It has no place in my 82-70 ballyard... [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]