Respot cells open and close slowly

[8270king]

The respot cells on lane 11 close late and when the pins are respotted they open kind of late.

I have already rebuilt all 10 cells with 5/16 pivot studs.
The wireways are not making contact.
The short link that operates the batman cam is adjusted correctly.
The cells are not binding.

What am I missing.

Is the spot/respot cam wore?

Jerry

[Ar Rar]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

Having seen your pictures, this probably will be of no use, but in our house I would check for bad bearings in the respot cam follower lever.

[BigDawg]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

Just a thought have u checked all the main studs if one or more are bent it will cuase the cells to open slow or close slow i had this problem last month checked everything and it was two bent main studs really couldnt see them bent untill u took them off and looked at them

i would check them real close


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[ January 28, 2002: Message edited by: BigDawg ]

[Jimmy Jam]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

I had this creep up on me a couple of times, and it ended up being the bolt that attaches the re-spot rod to the finger lever came loose.

[TheGMan143]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

Quote:]Originally posted by 82/70 king:
The respot cells on lane 11 close late and when the pins are respotted they open kind of late.

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I had a problem similar to that... basically the smae conditions (no binds, jams, or broken parts), but they would still drag. Turns out that the respot cell frame tracks where the fingers slide had a film of gunk on them, and although just one dragging a little doesn't affect things, all 10 dragging slightly adds up to a lot of extra force on the drive rod. I wiped off the tracks with a rag wetted with WD-40 (which cleaned the gunk nicely, and left a thin film of lube, too)...the problem cleared right up.

Close as I can figure, that film is caused by the lane machine, which sprays the stripping solution on to the lane... the leftover spray was blowing into the machine and settling on everything, then became sticky when it dried out.

I've also had the little pin that attaches the drive carb to the table's respotting mechanism come loose where it bolts to the stringer. 1/4" of play on that thing amounts to the fingers losing about more than an inch of movement. I replaced the cheap flat bolt-plate AMF was famous for using with a standard 1/4-20 nut, and it holds much better, and can't pull loose.

[X-mechanic]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

One possibility is the pawl needs to be re-adjusted.

This is done by turning the respot rod.

[X-mechanic]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

One possibility is the pawl needs to be re-adjusted.

This is done by turning the respot rod.

[GPS]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

Hey King, check to make sure that you don't have a broken spring on your respot lever.

[pat]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

When I had this happen to me. The cells were operating almost OK. To me they felt a little "Slow" or they felt "heavy". When this was happening on lane 7 at our house it was one of the pivot studs in a respot lever that was bent and nearly broken. I know I checked what I thought was all the pivot studs but I had never thought to look at the ones on those three point levers that attatch to the wireway on one end and the link connecter to the other.

I hope this helps. It feels a little awkward giving advise to the guy who has given all of us so many helpfull ideas and has so much experience.

Have a good day
Pat

[Guest]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

GPS is right. There are 2 springs here for the respot arm/rod. Also check the spring plate where it attaches to the arm (3/4 bolt - 9/16 nut) this hole will wear out and reduce the spring tension. Finally, check the plate welded to the cross member - where the other end of the springs attach. These welds have been known to break.

[8270king]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

I will re-examine this machine today. It has been an ongoing problem for a couple years. Just started to act up on Sunday again.

Jerry

[Kat]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

King:

The other guys have covered most bases. Another thing you might want to check is the respot lever itself (the boomerang looking thing on the front end that the respot rod hooks to).

Many get bent or twisted over time, especially on the older pinsetters. Look straight down from the top of the machine and you can usually tell right away.
While you're there, check for proper lubrication on the shaft that goes through both the spot and respot levers. Lots of gunk there can slow things down.
But, I would check for a twisted lever first; seeing how you combed through the table and cells already.

Let us know how you make out. (Not that kind either!)
:p

[knuckles]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

Jerry, check the connecting bar that bolts to the four pivot pins ( on the ten pen side of the table) that connect all the respot cells together. If the bar is bent between any of the pivot studs this will cause stiffness in the respotting action.

I have run into this a couple of times. Drove me crazy.

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Larry

P.S. I also went across the house and replaced the respot levers and pivot studs(5/16 pivot stud) and checked all the connecting bars.

[8270king]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

Problem:

1. # RC frame was scarred from ? and was dragging.

2. Must have had another table jam and had a wireway bent down to the r/c arm rubbing.

Jerry

[Jimmy Jam]

Re: Respot cells open and close slowly

Quote:]Originally posted by 82/70 king:
Problem:

1. # RC frame was scarred from ? and was dragging.

Jerry[/QUOTE]

I read in another post that you took off all your plastic finger inserts. Could that have caused the scarring? You should think about putting them all back on.