GS style pin curtain?

[Mr. 800-R]

Watching the tour today gave me an idea....

Couldnt we use a curtain like a GS machine.

I know there are some spec. we have to follow by ABC.

It would be very simple to have the curtain separate from the weldment assy.

Mr. 800

[len marsden]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

hi mr.8oo,
i looked into this idea many years ago and was told by the oz equivalent of the abc that extensive testing, such as that which opccurs with pins,gutters etc., would have to be carried out.
a bit strange when the pit of the gs is basically identical to the amf.
maybe you guys over there could get the ball rolling.

regards,
len.

[Coors]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

there is an ABC reg of a min distance from back of pindeck to "cushion", hanging a curtain from its current position would enable someone to make the 7-10 by throwin the ball down the middle,...the flapping would knock the 7-10 over.

but on a bowlers side. leave the big 4 on an A-2 (shaker board) theres a pretty good chance you could get lucky and bounce a pin. on an AMF, chances aren't as good but still there, leave a big 4, 7-10 on a GS with a moving carpet and flappin do-hickey, just hit the reset button...havent got a chance

[Androooo]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

Just a thought, but wouldn't it on an AMF machine be a little on the dangerous side?? I mean, I can only speak from a 30's side, but pins flying out the back of the machine is a very common occurance. Now I don't know how it would be designed, but say if you cut through the curtain just above the cushin plank, that would leave a rather large gap.

Of course, this is only a self modified version.....I'm sure if it would be made from scratch, those factor would be taken into an account.

And of course...the local assoc. would save on the patches for the big splits converted, because there would be none!! lol [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

[John_Galt]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

I spent a while at a center where the mechanic let the curtains hang vertically.

Plusses:
~No more pulling the curtain rod to hop in the pit
~No more "Pin in the Curtain on 18."
~Curtain hanging way down hides plows, pinwheel, cushion facing from bowlers' view
~ANDROO: No, actually it just kills the pins when they hit it. Makes it virtually impossible for pins to fly out, because the curtain hangs low and... um... flacid.


Minuses:
~Yeah, forget about the big splits.
~bottom of curtain gets ragged, torn, probably pretty dirty.

I wont tell what house this is in, but I bet you'd recognize the name of it.
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Chadzinski

[Androooo]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

Quote:]Originally posted by Magic Triangle:
~ANDROO: No, actually it just kills the pins when they hit it. Makes it virtually impossible for pins to fly out, because the curtain hangs low and... um... flacid.

Chadzinski[/QUOTE]

First time I've ever heard flaccid used in that way!! Nice job!! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

[ February 12, 2002: Message edited by: Androo Fillups ]

[len marsden]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

andrew,
the cushion assy. on the gs' is virtually identical to the amf but they have added a timber panel (no padding on face) above the cush.assy.this stops the pins flying over the top of the cush. out the back.

len

[Androooo]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

Ahhh...I see. I wasn't sure, because being from the sleepy little place like this, you don't get to see the newer machines. I've only seen the GS's from the bowlers side, and yes, leave a 7-10, and just hit the reset....you have no chance that I have seen.

There is nothing better than slamming a pin into the back, only to see it shoot out, into the other, for a near impossible conversion. Gets the crowd going!! I have an old Pro tape here from 1990 I think, when John Mazza picked up the 7-10, and from what I have seen, that got a bigger reaction than some 300's that have been shot on TV.

[ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: Androo Fillups ]

[mechanic8230]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

The old Plaza Bowl in San Diego (since defunct) ran old 82-30s and the mechanic had his own curtain set up. His house ran superbly and he has since retired. The best I can remember the curtain was trimmed off the cushion and was an independant piece. I wish I could remember how he anchored it.

[Lampie]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

What do you think about TWO curtains..
Both separate from the cushion, first one is slowing the pins down, the second one wil catch the others....

[ February 14, 2002: Message edited by: Lampie ]

[SVLFever]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

Bowltechers,

Been there, done that. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img]

We had a lane where you could intentionally bounce 4 out of every 5 10-pins up under the sweep. Of course, this became a real pain in the behind, unless you left the 7-10 there. The problem stemmed from a one-piece cushion that had a shim underneath the cushion assembly(to prevent balls from sticking against it).

I also thought of the GS style curtains and thought what the heck. The curtain had a tear developing so I cut it at the cushion and then trimmed it so it was hanging about an inch or so over the carpet.

It worked very well, after some adjustments. First, if it was too low, light balls wouldn't be able to get behind it, and then get stuck. Second, no more pins in the curtain. Third, pins did not fly out of the machine but every once in a while we would hear that 'ting' that a pin makes when it hits the cushion tube. Fourth, no pin damage.

The problem began when we tried a second lane. Then pins starting bouncing out more often, especially on the ball door side. We then dropped the project.

Lampie has the right idea. I think it would work with two curtains. Maybe the original hanging near the distributor support, and the second hanging in the original spot.

I know of the regulations regarding pinspotter specs. I did invite our local reps to come out and look. Since the curtain would never hit the pins on the lane while it was swinging, they said go ahead and test it.

I would love to see a modification that would eliminate pins in the curtain and pins bouncing out. Hope this helps anyone trying to develop one. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[poplarpetey]

Re: GS style pin curtain?

How about cutting pieces of the curtain out where the curtain rod goes through, then taking a second curtain and cut out sections so that it would fit on the same rod like a finger splice. Leave the original curtain on the cushion like normal and let the second one hang down. Both would be on the same rod.

Pete