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**pat** · 02-21-2002, 10:55 PM

Re: Kicker help!!!!!

I think that there is no one best kicker wheel. But there are some ideas that can make them work better in these new times of reactive balls. The kicker wheel was made when there were only rubber balls and the lightest one was 8 or ten pounds.

I use one spring but rigged up a chain that loops through the belt idler shaft and hooks onto a notch on an added piece on the back of the pinsetter. I then hook the other end on the spring and do not attach the spring to anything other that the chain. This way if you need more tention one the spring you just pull on the chain and hook it for the tention that you need.

I wish I had a picture of this to send you it is really easy to do, but hard to describe. I cannot get my digital camera to ake a good shot of this so I can show you. This mod has been around for a long time maybe someone out there has a picture of this for you.

good luck
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**TheGMan143** · 02-21-2002, 10:59 PM

Re: Kicker help!!!!!

The best luck I've had so far is with the Vantage Red Lightning kickers... they're an odd-shaped wheel... has an offset in it that lets the ball get in behind it, then shoves it into the lift.

Besides those, the Red Blaster 'footballs' work pretty good, too.

**Jimmy Jam** · 02-21-2002, 11:21 PM

**deadwood_dup1** · 02-22-2002, 01:32 AM

Re: Kicker help!!!!!

That is the first ive heard of using skate wheels as kicker wheels. If it works then I would suggest "Lebedda Stickies" When I used to play Roller Hockey those were the best wheels for the tiles we played on.

Deadwood

**bowl-mor tech-R** · 02-22-2002, 01:46 AM

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i like the red lightning kickers too, but ive found that on some occasions, its just impossible to get the light balls up without (excuse my weight reducing terms..)trimming the filler pads on the front filler. you only need to make sure the plates are adjusted properly, then get in there with a standard house ball and check to see how high the pads are raised above the plates. you only may need to trim a little off the corner (most cases) or as much as an inch lengthwise across the face of the pad. after working on almost every mass produced bowling machine made, ive gained a little knowledge on physics and geometry when concerning our illustrious sport, and my confidence says this will help solve your problem. try it on the worst lane you have and post the result.

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**Ed Fox** · 02-22-2002, 02:10 AM

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MS, were testing a new idea for both 30's and 70's....are you interested in testing for us?

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**Dutch** · 02-22-2002, 04:44 AM

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I used to stock several brands & styles of kicker rollers because no one brand or style would work on every lane. Then I took Murrey up on their free sample offer. That was about a year ago. Since then, I haven't bought one from anyone else. Every one that I've put in works perfectly (Unless there was another problem as well). I've been able to increase the amount of oil on the lanes & give the rosin back to the bowlers.

Give them a call & they'll send a sample for you to try. They made me a believer. Their # is 800-421-1022.

**8270 pinspotter** · 02-22-2002, 12:07 PM

Re: Kicker help!!!!!

I also use the murry kickers on my remaining kicker lanes. They work awesome and they seem to last forever.

**Guest** · 02-22-2002, 09:21 PM

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**deadwood_dup1** · 02-23-2002, 05:55 PM

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Ok guys i got a prob. Well its not really a problem but its a question. I really dont know kickers well. I can change a belt but thats about it for now until I get my @$$ in there and really investigate them.

Prob: WHy is it a ball will not enter the exit without the other machine on? I have seen this on a few pairs and it baffels me due to the fact that the design is supposed to pull the ball inward toward the ball lift. Is it just the kicker wheels or a flaw/mis-adjustment?

Deadwood

**Mr. 800-R** · 02-23-2002, 11:51 PM

Re: Kicker help!!!!!

My kicker secrets.

1. Take a bin bumper and cut the small end off. Super glue the big flat part to the end of the starter pad housing so that the starter pad does not protrude so far into the ball exit.

2. If tha ball still does not enter into the exit....super glue a small bin bumper to the kicker housing in addition to the large bumper on the fill pad.

3. Adjust the ball lift height with the snubbers instead of a ball lift shock. Adjust it from too high until it will just pick up balls and then lower ball lift a couple turns to allow for undersize balls.

4. Flip shock to the even lane side instead of odd lane side. shock is extended and allows ball lift to raise easier. Ball lift must pivot up in a kicker lift!

5. Cut down the rubber strip on the front fill section if it is new and too high.

6. Wipe belts daily.

7. Install Humpback eventually cause kickers suck!

**amfpinboy** · 02-24-2002, 01:15 PM

Re: Kicker help!!!!!

There are lots of kicker wheels for sale and most of them work well, but don't overlook the saddle itself. Look at the rear edge of the saddle, where the rudder arm opening would be. The rear edge is usually very bumpy (sloppy casting) and these bumps and low spots cause a ball to hang up. Very carefully grind off the high spots and smooth down the casting. Finish the process with some emery paper. Temporary modifications that are glued on, require constant maintenance and they can cause more trouble than they cure. Go back in the machine and watch the balls exit. Check out an exit that works well and see what the differerce is. We cut off about 1/8 off the lower part of the starter pad (rubber type). The saddle should have a new black rubber strip. We glue a small piece of old dist. belt just in front of the rubber sprip. (The wear marks will show you where to place it.) These strips wear down within a year and must be replaced. It works well, but it's another maintenance problem. This past Friday I had two exits that started to slow up. We changed out the saddles and they worked fine. Good luck.

**Bull** · 02-24-2002, 02:14 PM

Re: Kicker help!!!!!

I've had great luck with the free sample white "football" kickers from Murrey.They transfer the balls well and wear great.

[ February 24, 2002: Message edited by: Bull ]

**the old dirt man** · 02-24-2002, 10:29 PM

Re: Kicker help!!!!!

Quote:]Originally posted by Ed Fox:
MS, were testing a new idea for both 30's and 70's....are you interested in testing for us?

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