YIPES!!! here we go again

[Guest]

Well, if you all remember the problem with lane 9 and the "half dry spots" etc, then maybe you can help me out now. Well, it worked fine until yesterday. For some reason the spotter tripped its breaker (rake headed back (already like 1 foot back)) and it killed, I wasnt working... but the head mech was, he looked at everything, didnt see a problem, so he flipped it on and away we go, until today. (oh, and if your wondering... it was on the 2nd ball thrown that day)

Today, its running fine, until I get a call... "Pileup on 9" it wasnt, but from the front, I probably would have said that too... all 20 pins in the bin, rake down, everything is set, but its on first ball [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] . So, I hit the first ball stepper (it switched) then the cycle button.... no go, ran the rake with the run switch, cleared it (dont know if it was after strike or 2nd throw) and cycled it, set up a full rack just fine. 2 frames later... I'm watching it, and it Half dry spots [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] So, they cycled it from the front, works fine again.... 10 minutes later, its sitting with all 20 pins in the bin again, rake down, first ball [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] I clear it the same way, and again look over every connection I think could have anything to do with it.... Worked fine for like 30 min more, then it sat, all 20 pins in the bin... rake down, on 2nd ball [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] ... Well, this lane does this once in a while, all I do is hit first ball stepper, then the cycle button and it clears it.... Any ideas???

Who needs a human to set pins when a machine can do it just as bad, but less often.

[deadwood_dup1]

Re: YIPES!!! here we go again

This problem you describe is kinda vauge but ill give it a stab.

Sounds to me that you might have a faulty bin switch or a broken wire in your SA cord. Pull out a tester.

Next and Others will probably correct me since its been a while for me but there is a wire comming off your Table circuit breaker that also goes to your cycle button, its usuallly a white wire. If im not mistakened without this wire the pinsetter will not cycle. Its a 24v feed. Im not sure but im sure the vets will correct me if im wrong.

Other things, If you might have a bad "S" relay thats on its way out.

That exhausts my ideas.

deadwood

[Lampie]

Re: YIPES!!! here we go again

If you still have the old fashioned counter at your front desk look for a short/bad diode or capicitor wired parallel over that lane's counter(this one is activated while spotting).

[8270 pinspotter]

Re: YIPES!!! here we go again

I had the problem you describe a while back. 20 pins in the bin, except the machine was on second ball. It was intermittent just like you describe. I thought it was a bad bin switch or wire and it took me forever to figure it out. All I did was adjust one of the table cams or switches. I think it was the TA2 but I forget. I wrote it down and I'll check which one and post later. I found this out by pulling the lever on one of the switches and it spotted pins. Again, I think it was the TA2 but I'm not sure. Was someone messing with the cams to try to solve your spotting problem awhile back? It's possible that it could be just a little off causing and intermittent problem.

[pat]

Re: YIPES!!! here we go again

Could be the TA2 switch depending on your chassis.

I would start with the easiest first. I would inspect the bin and the bin switch. I would look for a broken switch or lead. I would also look at my pin guides and make sure they are straight and the pins are sitting flush in the bin.

Next I would look at the chassis. First I would trade the chassis and see if the problem moves. If it does I would trade out my sp relay first. I would even look at the sks relay just for kicks.

Has the sweep gone through to 270 if not could it be the off spot switch? That one is a shot in the dark. Ya never know though, I have worked on 30's where everything is connected [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

Rest asured that this is one that takes an hour to find and minute to fix! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]

Good luck, I hope all goes well.

[Dutch]

Re: YIPES!!! here we go again

Adam,

1) What chassis & boards arre you running?

2) Do you have a double or single solonoid front end?

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[8270 pinspotter]

Re: YIPES!!! here we go again

When I had this it was the TA2 switch like I thought. By the way, I have XOP boards in the chassis. Took me forever to figure it out because when I put 5 boards in the same chassis it worked fine. Just stumbled across the TA2 switch.

[deadwood_dup1]

Re: YIPES!!! here we go again

Pat: FWIW the OOR switch has nothing to do with spotting. When a table goes into a re-spot and incounters an out of range pin the clevis yoke pushes on the oor lever opening the stop bolt on the microswitch hence letting the table resume and go back to 355 and leaving the sweep behind. Ahh poor sweep [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] ... Ack wow what have i been smokeing?!?

deadwood

[pat]

Re: YIPES!!! here we go again

Deadwood I know the ORR was a little out there. But on an old "B" chassis machine I had a similar problem. I found out that we had an ORR circut short and that would make the table not try to spot at all. This one took me a long time to find, an AMF tech helped me find that it was an OR relay.

I can see where that would have been an isolated incident.