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    i was curious, whats everyone's opinion on penzoil 80w-145 @ $3.10 a quart vs Sohiovis & what vantage sells. until now i've always used 80W-90 with no probs, but was just curious. what does everyone else use with success that is available off most hardware store shelves?

    and second, has anyone hooked up a "quality" SSSS to a Leeson combo motor? the designations of pins (UVXYZ) on the schematics are different than what im use to thinking of them(so not sure if i should hook up by pin designation or as pictured). long story short ive rewired and tried but cant get it wired correctly. the start windings never pull off so motor overheats. i may have ruined the SSSS, and before i ruin another, would like to hear from someone who has done this successfully. rrev, have you guys played with leeson motors yet???

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    Re: couple questions

    a quick follow up for RREV, if he reads this, with the orange SSSS, you can test, if you have continuity between L&S the start windings are always going to be on, if there's not continuity between somewhere else its dead.

    is there an equivelent test for Cybernetic's switches????


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      We recently went over to a gear box oil with an additive the boss uses in the 30 or so backhoe's he has, for his real job [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] . Since we changed we have had no gear box problems.


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        I usually use Amoco's straight 90W or 80W90 in the gearboxes, and we've never had a problem. Biggest thing if you're switching oil is to make sure you flush out the gearbox with kerosene to get all the old gunk and oil out of it... Modern oil mixed with whatever archaic sludge J-156 left in the bottom of the gearbox doesn't make for a good relationship... the new oil will break it up and start circulating it around, making a mess and not lubricating as well as it should.

        The old mech would get used gear oil from the local garage and dump it in... I wouldn't recommend it, but we never had a gearbox take a dump while running it... All that crap about special lubricants in the AMF book, as far as I'm concerned, are just that...crap. If the gear oil that keeps the gearbox in my truck from taking itself apart at 70MPH and 150 degrees works good, I think it should be OK for something that runs intermittently and at a lot less horsepower, torque, heat, and RPM. All that stuff in the book reads to me like AMF's old idea of 'buy it for 50 cents, sell it for $1.50', and gave Sohio oil company a sweet deal to boot...
        <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>


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          Any gear lube should work fine. We use Amsoil, synthetic, 80-90 in our gearboxes. It's helped my 1963 Ford pick-up last for over 300k mi. It runs cooler &amp; improves MPG by about 10-15%. I figure if it can do that for an old pick-up, it should be great for pinspotters that were made about the same time. Besides, I'm an Amsoil dealer. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

          Match your Leeson motor wiring to the Nationals. If I remember correctly, the switches hook up the same. It's been about a year since I last worked on one, I might be wrong.

          It's been a long time since I've used a Quality SSSS. If they haven't changed them, they are the same as the Murrey SSSS. Set your meter on 100k &amp; with the black test lead on the blue wire of the switch, all the rest of the wires should read around 72k. With the red test lead on the blue wire, any reading at all means a bad switch.

          Cybernetic SSSS use the same number of wires with the same color code. I've never tested one tho.



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            Remember when you could buy J-156 at the local Checker Auto stores. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]


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              Gary, got to hand it to you again!
              Where do you come up with this stuff!?!?!

              Classic! A bit of PhotoShop on the can at left, perhaps?

              On a more serious note, hey, you can run Bailey's Irish Creme in a gearbox and it will last a good while. But when the pinwheel doesn't turn anymore or the klixon gets tripped every time a ball comes up the lift, the cost of new gears and the time it takes to deal with it wil be worth way more than the extra $1 for good oil.

              The main difference between AMF and Vantage oil is that V280 is 90w156. AMF is straight 156.

              Also, V280 costs less.

              Lesser weight oils will result in premature wear. Additives will result in sludge.
              Both combined will result in premature wear and sludge.

              As for the Quad S, I really can't comment. All my cent mechs and switches work fine. Replacements are cheap.



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                  Chaddo: Not to mention that you can get a killer cocktail out of that gearbox come a year from now [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
                  I just use a bit of lane cleaner with my highballs nowadays.

                  I always used the AMF oil because of BCO....but now that im independent I dunno what im gonna use. That baileys idea was kinda good idea if i was going senial. I think ill try the Vantage oil then if i dont like ill go to the donkeies up north and sifen me some oil. HAHAHAHA

                  P.S. Baileys and a Moca Frapachino, great drink!

                  Well thats just like your opinion man...


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