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    There is not frame counters on 82-70's is there I have been working on them for like 9 yrs and have not seen them if there is

  • #2
    Re: frame counters

    Yes, there are. Some, but not all, have them mounted onto the shuttles next to the 10 bin pocket. Strictly mechanical setup...advances "1" every time shuttles forward.

    I have seen some guys wire into the Spot relay an electro-mechanical one.
    "Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"

    --Kat

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    • #3
      Re: frame counters

      My machines have them on. I love them. I use them to figure out frames per stop, and to tell how long certain parts last. I wouldn't give them up for anything.
      Give me a hammer and some duct tape and I can fix it!

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      • #4
        Re: frame counters

        i always liked them but most mechs rip'm out.

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        • #5
          Re: frame counters

          If you want a frame counter, like was stated, and electromechanical one will do niceley, and they're available fairly cheap from electronics surplus sources. I wouldn't suggest resettable ones if you use them for FPS calculation... it never fails a pinnie or someone else will get a case of 'fingeritis' and push the counter-reset button. The non-resettables are cheaper, too.

          All the counters should be 1-shot/1-number advance type, preferably with at least 5-6 digits.

          If you want to count how many times your spot relay fires, you will need a 110VAC counter connected to the spot solenoid at TS-17 and TS-3.

          For table run counts, you will need a 24VAC counter connected to the coil lugs of the T-contactor. Sweep counters don't work, since the sweep contactor fires more than once in a 360-degree cycle.

          For full-cycle counting, exactly like the old mechanical counters use the spotting solenoid or this method: you can use a 10V(DC?) counter attached to the SP Relay socket at the coil terminals. It requires some soldering, but this is the most accurate and permament...you can attach the counter right to the chassis. Unlike wiring to the spotting solenoid (which works the same), you don't have to attach to 110V line current to drive the counter, and the low-voltage counter units are usually about 1/2 the size of the line-v driven ones.

          That's my nickel's worth of free advice for today... [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
          <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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          • #6
            Re: frame counters

            G-Man brought up some good points. Personally, I use the shuttle counters for my FPS, as I was lucky enough to have them when I inherited my center.

            As far as mounting one to the chassis via soldering, keep in mind if you have to swap chassis, you will transfer all data with it (unless you provide a quick-disconnect to the solder tail).

            Another thing you could to like it was mentioned is bridge across the 110V circuit for the solenoid. If all you can find is low voltage counters, wire in a step down transformer before the counter....these are very cheap. A T2 trnasformer from an MP Chassis will work nicely.
            "Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"

            --Kat

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            • #7
              Re: frame counters

              i just liked'm for nostalgia, kinda like double solenoids and B chassis. it was always fun when a machine reached 99999.9 (I think they had 6 9's)

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              • #8
                Re: frame counters

                Hey G-

                Would happen to know, off the top of your head, the Grainger # for a decent 110v meter? One of my meters went nipples northward a while back &amp; this sounds like a good way to replace it.

                [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/usflag.jpg[/img]

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                • #9
                  Re: frame counters

                  Grainger has 'em...but they're not cheap. Most of their counters are over $100. Two of the less expensive ones are below. I usually watch for them in surplus catalogs...a lot of times they have units that were removed from service or reconditioned that will work just fine, and are a lot less expensive. Two of my favorite catalogs: Marlin P. Jones ( <a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank">http://www.mpja.com</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a> ) and C&amp;H Sales ( <a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.candhsales.com" target="_blank">http://www.candhsales.com</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a> ). I looked in those two catalogs, and I didn't see counters in this issue... they only have hourmeters listed. Lots of other neat stuff in there, though... [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
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                  Nonresettable Counter, Base Mounting, 30 Msec On/30 Msec Off Pulse Timing, 10 X 10 Million Life Counts, 1000 Counts Per Minute, 115 Volts AC At 60 Hz, 1.8 Watt

                  Grainger# 1A188 Manf. Redington V2-4816115AC
                  $38.05
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                  Electrical Resettable Counter, Pushbutton, Panel Mounting, 4 Digits, 10 X 10 Million Life Counts, 600 Counts Per Minute, 50 Msec On/50 Msec Off Pulse Timing, 3.0 Volts Ampere, 115 Volts AC At 60 Hz

                  Grainger# 6X594 Manf. Redington P2-4904-115AC
                  $37.40
                  <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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                  • #10
                    Re: frame counters

                    On the subject of counters... if you want to hook up a counter to the 10VDC SP-Relay... I just took a look at the new MP Jones catalog... they have a DC counter that should work OK, but will need a resistor connected to it to operate correctly, as it operates on 6VDC (I can get the resistance value needed if anyone is interested in doing this)

                    Site is: <a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.mpja.com" target="_blank">http://www.mpja.com</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a>
                    There is a box on the main page that says "Stock Number Direct"...type in part# 11692-MI They cost $2.95 each, and are in like-new condition.

                    There is also a 12VDC counter, but it would probably stress the SP circuit trying to drive it, and to hook it up anywhere else would require a rectifier and maybe some resistors, but if you want to take a look, it's part# 12996-MI
                    <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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                    • #11
                      Re: frame counters

                      Dane,

                      I bet your frame counters are boxed in somewhere around the front desk area. Before they came out with computer scoring the desk peaple would read the counters to tell how many games the customer bowled. When a center puts in computer scoring they dont need the frame meeters anymore because the computer keeps track and can add up the price they need to pay. Because of that they usualy cover up the frame meters with shelving, box'em in, or relocate them somewhere else close to the counter. Ya kinda whant to keep them incase the computer breaks down.

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