Our center's 82/70 machines are suffering from ball return problems and we were told PBL replacement was the way to go. We were also told about a mini PBL sold by Vantage that was cheeper. Are these any good. Thank You for your help.
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Re: Will a PBL fix our ball return problems permanantly?
We have 0 ball calls with Humpbacks.
If they are installed correctly they are the best.
I have only lost one belt in the last year and it was a old white one.
Jerry
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You just wait and see....you havent tried my new kicker yet....but then again neither have I..........but their being manufactured as I type! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]
Charlie [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]Please buy MADE IN USA!
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K-Dub: what do you curently have? I have 24 lanes of kickers and 1 pair has a humpback. We rarely get a ball call now. 99% of the house has the murrey whities on and the Zot sawtoot's on the lower filler plate. every now and then a pin will try to return itself to the bowler but other than that 0 ball calls. I am not one who likes the kicker system but i have to say they can be worked on.
deadwoodWell thats just like your opinion man...
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AMF also sells a mini pbl. They call it PBL+. I would get the AMF version if you go with PBLs. I have them and I have zero ball calls since I installed them two years ago.Give me a hammer and some duct tape and I can fix it!
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Judging from all the praise the Humpbacks have gotten (not just here at Bowl-Tech, but quite a few other centers) love them. I haven't an honest opinion of them (as I have PBLs), but if I had kickers, I might go the Humpback way."Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"
--Kat
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A few observations based on 15 years experience with PBL's.
1. The light ball sensor, when it is clean and works, works very well, but many consider it a maintenance nightmare. Normal rebuilding isn't too difficult and does not cost much until you need cams or weldments. Then, [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]
2. The mini and plus versions replace the sensor with the spring-loaded link, which was also available for the kicker system, but with the PBL or Humpback, the spring-loaded link requires slowing down the rudder with reduction pulleys to allow light balls into the lift. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] Combine any of these with Lifelong's light ball clutch for less hassle, and more reliable service.
3. The PBL-revised ball lift, which is used with any of the upgrade ball exit systems (PBL, Humpback, Tuffy Air Exit), sits lower in the cavity and at a slightly different angle. After experiencing ball-spinning problems in centers that have changed from kickers, it is now my recommendation that you change the track rail weldments. Here's why:
Original rails that came with machines prior to PBL have a different profile. That is, they are bent at a different position up the rail and subsequently curved different at the top. The new lift angle benefits greatly from the new rail angle, reducing the possibility of a heavily oiled ball from spinning half way up the lift.
My machines came with PBL's, not the first, but were manufactured about 1 year after their introduction. They have a mix-and-match batch of rails. I therefore have to replace most of them, too.
4. The Humpback eliminates the 2 kicker belts. Either PBL eliminates the 2 kicker belts, but adds a v-belt for the 1st stage lift (lift arm) ratchet. The Tuffy Air Exit eliminates all belts but the carpet/lift drives.
Thought you'd like to know. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
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BowlEquip; I for one was not aware of different rails(bends & curves). But shimming and new rubbers seems to be the Key. I like the humpback idea, but I think they even must use the rocket rails. Don't know if I like what the loping might be doing also. [IMG]
Your Curious felix [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]
P.S. Ihave PBL'sIf at first you don't succeed, try, try, again. Then quit. There's no use being a damn fool about it." -W.C.Fields
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That's ModIV red and REAL WOOD! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again. Then quit. There's no use being a damn fool about it." -W.C.Fields
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