Respot/Add calls

[John_Galt]

I have been having a lot of respot/add calls lately, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.
There doesn't seem to be any pattern to it, except that the missing pins are usually in the back two rows.
~all across the house
~all different combinations of pins
~sometimes new rack has been spotted, sometimes not
~sometimes score has been marked for 2nd ball, sometimes not
~RS cell and table adjustments are great - I promise!
~Oil pattern is unchanged and decks are clean

It's especially [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] when I'm standing right by the machine and don't see it happen, but get the call.

Help & Thanx
C

[poplarpetey]

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Maybe the gremlins are loose and you're having a bad week. I have the same thing happen sometimes. Everything will be running great and then one week there are respot calls all over. After a week or so it goes back to normal. I've always blamed a change in the weather. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] On the "add a pin" calls, I would think it's just pins sliding or wobbling and the table knocks them over.

Pete

[Jimmy Jam]

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About a week or so ago, for no reason, 3 of my machines started rolling pins off the side of the turn pan and 'pinging' the suicide bar. My only thought was it must have something to do with the weather. About the same time we started going down into the 30s overnight. Before the problems I didn't wear a jacket to work in the morning. When they started showing up I was wearing my coat to work. :p

[8270king]

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Sand the pin bottoms flat!

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Jerry

[DetroitSignal]

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It's the weather. Days have been getting colder here in the Motor City this week and I had a s*itload of stupid calls that never are a problem.

[amfpinboy]

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Magic, We keep an extra stop sheet for " un-explained " set-ups. My old 70's still use the cell wires and the five board chassis. If the listed set-up doesn't seem to have a problem, it will be put on the un-explained sheet. After two weeks, any problem machines will show up with extra marks. Then I go into that particular machine and look for anything. One or two extra set-ups may go un-noticed, but when they're listed they quickly stand out.

[Mark Anderson]

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Originally posted by Magic Triangle:
I have been having a lot of respot/add calls lately, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. C

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Chaddy ,
Synthetic Pin Decks in your house by any chance ?

[AMF_JEFF]

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Ummm senior bowler's trying to cheat!!!!!!!

[keg-R]

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i had the same problem with some of my lanes its just (in our house) odd ball stuff wires broken in table plug (respot wires) and other stuff like cups pushing pins though respot cells i just had to really watch them to find the problem also the weather may have alot to do with it and those da*m gremlins [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

hope you figure it out,
keith

[Kat]

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Chad:

What type of scoring?

Might want to check scanners to see if they are aligned properly and not "seeing" anything unusual like rake arms, stray sources of light, etc. This could account for having to add pins on respot calls. Sometimes the scanner will see a pin that's not really there and the graphics show that pin...then the bowlers think the pin has fallen over (bowlers never pay attention to what they leave, they rely too much on the graphics).

As far as the second ball scoring thing, check for either sweep coasting and/or re-position the start switch for AMF scoring (assuming you have this).

Just some ideas on where might to look.

[poplarpetey]

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Might want to check adjustments on triggering if you have it. Sometimes you get one that when the bowler throws a ball on one lane, the other lane of the pair will cycle also.

Pete

[misterx]

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The weather just cooled off here too and my weird stuff went nuts as well, especially during the geritol leagues which are a little reset button happy anyway.

[John_Galt]

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Guys - thanks for all the good replies!

Jer-Jer Binks pointed out something I hadn't thought of. I'll get to sanding the pin bottoms and see if the respots diminish. What grit and technique do you recommend?

PoplarPizz-etey - Interesting idea about the triggering. We've got Zot mini-magic's and cushion switches together. I'd think we'd have a bunch of balls bouncing off of sweeps if the triggers were faulty. The wiring was all done very nicely years ago and the photoheads are adjusted well.

Kattt - Accu+ (with cameras). Would a screwy scoring sweep switch cause intermittent problems? Only on 2nd ball?
Once in a while a camera will start failing to see a pin or always sees a pin, but that gets taken care of quickly.

Keith - I'm interested in some adjustment we might be missing but what do you mean by "cups pushing pins through respot cells"?

Marky Mark - Yes, HPL lanes and decks. The Kustodian does a good job of cleaning them. Even after 2 shifts, they are still satisfactory.

The weather is a strong possibility however I've always associated that with pins getting stuck against the kidney and bin jams more than pins falling when they shouldn't.

May be the pins are sliding around and getting knocked over by the table before the OS gets closed.

Maybe something else - still open to suggestions

And yes, Jeffy, I know a lot of them are from the Geezers "mulligan" on that nasty split they left...

Chaddy

[TheGMan143]

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Just a thought... I had a similar experience with a new 2nd shift league a while back... All of a sudden, this one league had more pinspots per night than we usually get all week.

Turned out that foul lights were something that these people had never seen or used before... the idiots on the lanes were fouling, and then calling to have the pins respotted after the machine scraped them off.

Took me two meetings with the team captains to drill it into their heads, and even after that, there were still problems. Finally, I threatened the whole league on the loudspeakers that if I caught anyone calling for pin spots after a foul, I was going to report them to the local association for it, and they could lose any awards that they were eligible for, and maybe risk losing the sanction. That pretty much cleared it up.

[Kat]

Re: Respot/Add calls

Originally posted by Magic Triangle:
Guys - thanks for all the good replies!

Kattt - Accu+ (with cameras). Would a screwy scoring sweep switch cause intermittent problems? Only on 2nd ball?
Once in a while a camera will start failing to see a pin or always sees a pin, but that gets taken care of quickly.

Chaddy

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This could happen if the actuator is borderline to begin with. If you get the slightest bit of coasting, the micro switch will close telling the CWC to score 2nd ball. This is provided the pinsetter is on 2nd ball. It's just a stab in the dark.