AMF 80-92 XLs

[Jax Pinchaser]

We are getting new machines September of next year, if I remember correctly they are AMF 80-92 XLs.

Does anyone have comments on these machines? What you think about them, what you like/dislike, commen problems you see. Any info would be nice, just trying to do some research for us. Thanks.

[8270king]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

Lucky dog!

Jerry

[Louie_IV]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

Don't forget what happened LAST TIME somebody asked this question!! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

Louie

[Louie_IV]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

Jax...I have never worked on these machines, but I know one thing that is commonly disliked about the 82-90 & 82-90 XL's is that there is only 1 chassis per pair of machines! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] So, if one chassis goes, you lose 2 machines instead of one!! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] Also, they have more plastic parts which makes them less heavy duty. What kind of machines do you have now? If you have 82-70's CLICK HERE .

Hope this answer's some questions. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

Louie

[the old dirt man]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

wait a minute [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] did AMF come out with a newer machine.
JAX posted he's getting 80-92 xl's not 82-90!!
are you sure there not 4400 xl's LMAO!
THE OLD FBI.

[BowlEquip]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

Jax: One thing to watch out for is the distributor drive housing. Since the back end motor is facing the front, the distributor drive output shaft is not under the stator, but wide open with NO GUARD! It's also twice as wide as the original. Very easy to get your pant leg or sleeve caught. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img]

[img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] Back end stators do not require reversing for LH vs RH gearboxes.

[img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] NO electro-mechanical devices except for the spotting solenoid.

[img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] Order the optional handrail accessory. Part number may be in the new catalog. Otherwise it's hard getting up into the machine.

[img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] First generation 90XL's are OK, but newer ones (produced with steel tables) have a new way of mounting the distributor. The new support goes across the opening of the pinwheel, preventing reaching in to unjam a table.

[img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] Thousands of connecting points eliminated, but [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] lots of plugs in the chassis.

Good Luck!! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

PS: Bins, shuttle racks, 90% of the table yoke, and all PBL components are exactly the same as 70's. In the pit, you get a heavy duty 1/4" thick angle iron pit support bracket that's probably a "forever" item. Bounce plate/carpet/roller & support/plow design, all unchanged. The sweep is the same design, but may, depending on assembly date, have different links (steel or plastic instead of aluminum).

[Jax Pinchaser]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

Thanks for the information. I find this all very interesting since I've only been working on A-2s for 4 6 months now. Sorry about what I called them. They are 82-90XLs and I have been working on the A-2s and converted A-2s.

Without any thought to what anyone has said, I welcome the new machines. I'm tired of climbing, stretching, listening, and chasing these. Our liftrods and humidity do not mix. I can't count how many balls I chase in 1 week. But far as mechanic know how goes on 'em, they are easy. I've solved a couple problems that the 15 vets could figure out [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] . I wish I will get the chance to see the many other types of manchines though so I can compare.

Ohh and far was who is paying for the new machines? The government, I find that kinda funny after reading the other thread.

[Mike Stalker]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

Jax Pinchaser: hold that thought and you can reply later about the user friendlyness of the AMF pinspotter.

[amfpinboy]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

I just picked up a private home intstallation that has the 82/90 XL's with all the bells and whistles. What a piece of work! It has the steel table. I didn't have the steel table book when I went there and I had to figure out the cell ajd. rod. Now that I have a book, I now know how to adj. the tilt and pull back properly. Do they all have the tiny motor plugs?
They're plastic.
Would someone explain the camera adj's. It scores ok, except for a strike cycle. The monitor shows a full rack and the scoring seems normal. It just doesn't set wood on a strike. What a I missing? Thanks. Fred

[BowlEquip]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

amfpinboy: Your scoring is fine. The problem is, the camera info is not getting to the chassis. Without camera data, the chassis can only run an RPO cycle (respot pins only). The camera sends the proper pinfall info to the scoring CPU which always displays it properly on the monitor, but the pinspotter chassis doesn'n know what to do [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] .
You should check all the connections between the camera and the interface cabling. On 82/70's, the interface cable goes through the APS port. I believe there is a corresponding connector on the XL chassis.

[Justy]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

I have been working on new 82/90XL`s for several months now after coming from a 70`s centre. There are good points......and a few bad ones I have encountered :
1. As quite rightly mentioned earlier, the access through the pinwheel is more restricted.
2. The pinwheel itself however, is more accessible with the (lightweight plastic) cover can be easily removed. The pinwheel rollers are rubbish though. There are 3 instead of 4 though if you are unfortionate enough to have "grey" coloured ones, you will find that after a few months your pinwheel will be flopping all over the place! (Insist you have "green" rollers as they have less play in them !)
3. Handrails are alot better. We can climb onto the machines alot easier (though they cost £250 each.....$350...?...part number available upon request.)
4. The single chassis for the pair of machines maybe a bad thing though our company have been using these machines for a few years now and there has been no record of a XL chassis fault of any kind..........(no I am not superstitious) !
5. The Hanger Arm Assemblies are rubbish!!! I have replaced the pulley sections back to 70`s style. You will see why after a few months. The top shaft (with the pulley on) is fixed so the pulley starts munching on the circlip which holds it on. Before long, the pulley comes off the shaft and starts eating the side of your machine.
6. Again, as mentioned earlier, the table is slightly different in design. However the repositioning of one particular rod has it sticking out the front of the table. I am not keen on this too much as the sweep doesn`t stay at guard long enough during a cycle, exposing the table for a few seconds. All it takes is some idiot to time a ball right and your table takes a whack!

All in all, they are ok for new machines. You can.... and should adapt 90`s machines with some 70`s parts so that you can get a reletively stress free centre....and I use that term lightly!

[amfpinboy]

Re: AMF 80-92 XLs

BowlEquip, I was back there this AM and I checked all the plugs and connections. It's up and running fine. Who knows! Thanks for the tech. info.. Fred