long and short strike cycles?

[callkiller]

i have 70's and we use accuscore you know the cwc's with 5 boards, arras and mp chassis.i'm trying to bypass all my respot cell wiring but it seems you cant do this when a machine has a long x cycle,how come some of my machines have a long x cycle and the others have a short, is it in the chassis or is it in the curtain wall or elsewhere,i'm looking for somebody to shed a light on this mystery.

[Kat]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

It could be a fair combination of both. But most likely in the MP Chassis. Make sure the pair in the APS cable (I think it's 29/30) is not broken in the APS receptacle on the side of the MP. Which boards are you using in the MP? Some of the newer 9860s have jumper that can cause havoc if not placed correctly.
Keep in mind that only true MPs, Converted SS (Omega-Tek, Creative Techs) will perform this shortened function. But to do this, the MP needs to receive a signal from the CWC.

Do these machines in question do a shortened 7/10 pickoff cycle? If not, it's a good indication that the MP is not receiving a signal from the CWC.

[TheGMan143]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

I dunno about accuscore, but with Omega-Tek boards and Qubica scoring, if you have a wire in the table cable or table/cells shorted to ground, it creates a signal to the chassis that overrides the short strike (like there is always a pin in the gripper).

Unplug your table cable, jump the two yellow wires on the table cable harness block in the front wireway, and see if the short strike works.

[Jimmy Jam]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

Are there "APS" cables plugged into all of the chassis or just the ones that have the short strike cycle?

[callkiller]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

I have regular mp's. No conversion here ,and yes Kat, with a couple of my machines I have no 7-10 pick off, and that I'm curious about also.With that said,I have a sneaking suspicion that it's in my EMC card, but then again I'm still in the dark about the whole concept. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] Also, all my chassis have APS outlets that are used, however, I don't think that's the cause of my problem. I'm looking for a solution to this frustrating problem.

[Kat]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

Callkiller:

With the info you just provided, it makes it alot easier to trace down. Take a piar that has the problem. First switch CWCs and see what happens. Use a known working CWC from another pair that does not exhibit this problem. If your dilemma is fixed, you know it's in the CWC. If not, leave the known good CWC there and move a known good MP there. Move down the line to eliminate each assembly and we're bound to find the problem. It can only be a few things, so let's start with the easy stuff and get it out of the way.

[Jimmy Jam]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

Scoring info sent to the pinsetter chassis comes from the APS on Accuscore 1. No information is sent to the APS from the gold CWC so don't mess with changing it or the EMC board. Try re-seating the P-1 and P-4 cable plugs on the APS then try swopping out the 3 boards with another APS.

I assume you allready swopped MP chassis with another lane and have checked for loose C2a pins on the machine plug?

[Kat]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

JJ is correct on the arrays. I got carried away and somehow AccuScore Plus crossed my mind. Don't pay any attention to me. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

[callkiller]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

yeah,I have accuscore 2 kat,I'm hoping i wont have to go through the trouble of swaping curtain walls....i appreciate your input though.I heard that the people at perfect score know the secret to my problem but dont want to give it up and that kinda disturbes me.Is this fact or fiction i dont know but i'm determined to get all my machines to have a short strike whether i get helpfrom perfect score or not.Anyways,iguess the first order of business is to try jj's idea and see what i come up with.....thanks again guys for your repley's [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

[BowlEquip]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

JimmyJam: MP chassis (all types: I, II(Gold), III(RoboChassis, UltraChassis, Super Star) and OmegaTek's SS/MP Chassis all have APS receptacles. They are located in the position where C23 Solid State Chassis' had the old BPP (Ball Path Plug) receptacle. For C23's and Elco's, the APS Cable goes directly to OmegaTek's Expander Board over the top of the chassis or through the hole where the BPP receptacle used to be (you can remove it entirely). In my case, I used the BPP receptacle AMP Connector, remove all teh BPP wires, and used the same positions that the MP uses for the APS connector. In other words, my C23's look like MP's.

[Jimmy Jam]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

Originally posted by BowlEquip:
JimmyJam: MP chassis (all types: I, II(Gold), III(RoboChassis, UltraChassis, Super Star) and OmegaTek's SS/MP Chassis all have APS receptacles. They are located in the position where C23 Solid State Chassis' had the old BPP (Ball Path Plug) receptacle. For C23's and Elco's, the APS Cable goes directly to OmegaTek's Expander Board over the top of the chassis or through the hole where the BPP receptacle used to be (you can remove it entirely). In my case, I used the BPP receptacle AMP Connector, remove all teh BPP wires, and used the same positions that the MP uses for the APS connector. In other words, my C23's look like MP's.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have no idea why you posted that.

[John_Galt]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

[BowlEquip]

Re: long and short strike cycles?

Sorry, JJ. I misunderstood your post. I thought you were asking a general question. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif[/img] Now I see that you were directing it to callkiller.
Maybe someone can use the info, though.
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