LANE OIL HEADACHES

[Guest]

MY PROBLEM: Pile-ups and ball returns increase at night after lanes have been oiled. DEFINED: I can run close to a full house(40 lanes) during the day with maybe no more than half a dozen pile-ups or less and little or no ball returns. At night it seems that all hell breaks loose. As an example, I have a lane that will not give me pile-ups during the day, but might pile-up on any given night. I have rebuilt and adjusted this distributor and even swapped out with another lane. I've sat and watched it run for at least 45 minutes to an hour and had no problem. Most of my pie-ups are on the distributor and not at bins so it rules out shuttle problems(and yes I have checked them also). These pile-ups are also scattered across the house. No one distributor seems to be an exception. I have come to the conclusion that lane oil is causing the problems at night. Since my lanes are oiled late afternoon, I get a lot of carrydown which winds up on both the pins and the machine. During the day there is not as much oil because of the previous nights lineage. hence my problems disappear. Are any of you running into this type of problem with lane oil?

[8270king]

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Do you oil your lanes for daytime play?

I oil my lanes twice daily.

To end your distributor woes....here is the solution:
1. Use Ed Fox's pan wipes.....the slip over the orientor pan.....they must be washed weekly to be effective.
2. Or put a small strip of Brunswick black ball kicker strip on the center of the orientor pan....the pins do not slip on the kicker strips.

JMO....if you are that busy during the day.....you should strip and oil in the morning too.

Jerry

[jandlcox]

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where are you getting the pan wipes from??

[Mike Stalker]

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Mech8270; I have to disagree with your conclusion. I seriously doubt that you wash every pin in the morning for day leagues.

If you have pileups on the dist then I would look at your
1. O-pan distance from your pinwheel,
2. height of pinwheel off the top of the dist, (worn PEW rollers)
3. lastly you need to set your pin rail so that head first and bottom first pins exit the pin wheel at the same speed. Pins need to exit the pin wheel cleanly and true; you do not want the pin to hesitate, bounce, or stall.

I like to set mine to just roll off with very little speed. (softly) Head first pins must have the center of the pin exit and hit center of the dist belt. This is perfect orientation.

I have an average of one pin jam every two days, we only clean our wheels, rails and pans once a week.

[jandlcox]

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is that one pin jam every two days on the o-pan or in the shuttle also.

[Mike Stalker]

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I am in a 32 lane center and have an average of seven pin jams every two weeks.

I wish it were every three days and I will be striving for that.

[ithrowgutters]

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that is because you dont have humidity problems

[Mike Stalker]

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I worked at centers in Alaska with the same track record. One center, a 40 laner just 10 miles from the Pacific Ocean.

[Guest]

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Mike, I think you misunderstood my posting. I DO NOT wash the pins every morning. I use a six week rotation schedule for the pins. I appreciate your suggestions, but it doesn't explain why I don't get pile-ups during the day. And 82/70 king: No we don't oil twice. lanes are oiled around 3 to 4 pm for our night leagues.

[Lampie]

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As mentioned somewhere before humidity can be a pain in the ouch allways.
Not mentioned and very recogniseable to me is the temperature difference.
In most bowlings the airco stays on over night, and even if not, the lanes and the environment are cooler in the morning than in the evening(less people inside, less motors turning etc.).
I heard most lane oils use an additive to change the viscosity(some kind of paraffine), I also heard that the additive's viscosity is getting lower if the temperature is getting higher than 69F..,
I also heard it's the additive that is getting to the back first...
Maybe this is your problem, and mine and others.
Maybe someone on Bowltech knows numbers and statistics about this but my feeling is that the higher the temperature and the higher the humidity the more oil will be transferred to the back .

Good luck to your evening shift....

Martin

[Ed Fox]

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Originally posted by mech8270:
MY PROBLEM: Pile-ups and ball returns increase at night after lanes have been oiled. DEFINED: I can run close to a full house(40 lanes) during the day with maybe no more than half a dozen pile-ups or less and little or no ball returns. At night it seems that all hell breaks loose. As an example, I have a lane that will not give me pile-ups during the day, but might pile-up on any given night. I have rebuilt and adjusted this distributor and even swapped out with another lane. I've sat and watched it run for at least 45 minutes to an hour and had no problem. Most of my pie-ups are on the distributor and not at bins so it rules out shuttle problems(and yes I have checked them also). These pile-ups are also scattered across the house. No one distributor seems to be an exception. I have come to the conclusion that lane oil is causing the problems at night. Since my lanes are oiled late afternoon, I get a lot of carrydown which winds up on both the pins and the machine. During the day there is not as much oil because of the previous nights lineage. hence my problems disappear. Are any of you running into this type of problem with lane oil?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks for the plug Queen. Mech8270, I tried to send you an e mail but your address comes up invalid. If you would like a free sample of the pan wipe please e mail me or give me a call.

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[deadwood_dup1]

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Queen: I have tried the piece of kicker strip on O-pan deal. Actually Ol Dirt man showed me. Problem with that is it might stall the pin to long if you are running 6" pulleys. Also it rubs off and the adhesive becomes a mess. (Where is whiteglove when you need it??) Other than that..it works for about a week.

deadwood

[8270king]

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Deadwood...who runs 6" pulleys any longer?

You can get the glue off with acetone and a Scotch-brite pad.

JK

[deadwood_dup1]

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Queen: You mean you slowed down your P-E's

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deadwood

[pat]

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Hey,

I think you are on the wrong track with lane oil. I know that I am the head pin thrower and have been doing it for a long time. When I am working the scores seem to be better and the lanes have fewer calls when I am working. I am not that special and how I push the button to run the lanes is the same as the other who work there. Once you are set up cleaned and maintained the house should be ready to go right???

Tuesday night I was working and we had zero calls and seven games over 250. Wednesday night the guy working is there for Wed and Sat night and is a good pin chaser but he has been off for a few months.

He had 13 calls and scores were not really high. I think the machines are alive. There are no ghosts in the back, but the machines live!!!! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]