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    Help! This is probably easy for you pros. I have 8230's with electric clutches on the pinwheels, last nite one of them out of the blue will not stop at 10 pins, just keeps feeding pins. Thought it must be the pin counter, so put in a different one. Didn't help, changed out the chassis no luck. It must be something simple right in front of me, just can't see it. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]
    THANKS for your help.
    "I used to be somebody, just can't remember who that is"

  • #2
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    New, disconnect the power from the pinsetter and remove the wire on terminal J-25 and power the machine back up. If the pin wheel does not run at this point then you have a short some where between that wire and where the pin counter plug into. I would check out the receptacle for the pin counter...make sure the wires on the back are not touching each other and if your machines have "R" boxes open the door and make sure none of the wires got pinched when it was last closed.

    Charlie [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
    Please buy MADE IN USA!

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    • #3
      Re: pin feed

      Originally posted by Ed Fox:
      New, disconnect the power from the pinsetter and remove the wire on terminal J-25 and power the machine back up. If the pin wheel does not run at this point then you have a short some where between that wire and where the pin counter plug into. I would check out the receptacle for the pin counter...make sure the wires on the back are not touching each other and if your machines have "R" boxes open the door and make sure none of the wires got pinched when it was last closed.

      Charlie [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Charlie, tried it but didn't help. next?
      &quot;I used to be somebody, just can't remember who that is&quot;

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      • #4
        Re: pin feed

        First thing you could do is turn power off, take off the wire that goes to J-24. Then turn the power back on. If the pinwheel isn't running, then that means that the PR4 circuit is grounding somewhere on the machine. If this doesn't stop the pinwheel, then you have a different type of problem. Maybe the clutch is physically sticking?

        Did you use the same counter cord on the new counter? If so, check the plug on the counter cord, the wires could be touching each other or the problem could be in the cord itself. The cord could be frayed from rubbing on the distributor pan or arm? I have seen and had many pinfeed problems do to the counter cord and plug.
        Try these and get back to us.

        Louie [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]
        Experience: Currently Help Maintain 44 82-30s and 50 82-70s.

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        • #5
          Re: pin feed

          OK I did that(J25 &amp; J24) still turning. When i replaced the counter I used a different cord and counter. This happened during league, I did not see exactly what happened but somebody said a pin flew straight up. Common sense tells me the clutch is staying on, but what? As luck would have it I don't have a spare clutch on hand. If I knew for sure it was the clutch I could change it back to the "old" set up. Just hate to do all that work if it was something else. I guess I will call Stahl's.
          thanks for helping, still seaching for thee answer.
          &quot;I used to be somebody, just can't remember who that is&quot;

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          • #6
            Re: pin feed

            Originally posted by Louie:
            If the pinwheel isn't running, then that means that the PR4 circuit is grounding somewhere on the machine.
            <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oops, I meant PR1. Anyway, make absolutely sure that PR1 is not energized when the pinwheel is turning. If it isn't, then you have a problem with your clutch. Either that or you could possibly have a short in your spotting switch wires (J16 &amp; J17), causing PR2 to energize which would cause pinfeed, however, the machine would not cycle normally if PR2 is in fact energized. Also, if PR2 was energized, then PR1 would also be energized. You could try unhooking the wires that go to the (or used to go) to the pinfeed solenoid (can't remember the J-strip numbers for them).

            If you are absolutely sure it is not wiring, take a screwdriver and tap the clutch with the handle and see if the clutch disengages. You might have a sticky clutch. You could also check for a sticky clutch by turning off the power and see if the pinwheel moves freely. If it does, and all the wiring checks out, I'd say you have some pinsetter gremlins infesting that machine. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

            Louie [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img]
            Experience: Currently Help Maintain 44 82-30s and 50 82-70s.

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            • #7
              Re: pin feed

              Spotting wires? where do they run? The pin wheel turns freely, the clutch as far as I can tell is wired (Or powered) with the "old" pinfeed solenoid wires. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] its got to be wiring, but where? we spray for gremlins every day, especially on women's league nites. I know the machines are tired,we are near the end of season and they can sense it.
              thanks i'll just keep playing 4 hours 'til leagues
              &quot;I used to be somebody, just can't remember who that is&quot;

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              • #8
                Re: pin feed

                The spotting switch wires run to the switch under the distributor. They go through the same wire way the counter cord plugs into. If it's a wiring problem and not in the chassis, then you have to have either 2 wires touching each other or a wire grounding somewhere. Keep looking. Get your meter out if you have to. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] Maybe try some extra gremlin spray. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

                Louie [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/usflag.jpg[/img]
                Experience: Currently Help Maintain 44 82-30s and 50 82-70s.

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                • #9
                  Re: pin feed

                  Hey Louie!
                  How much for a can of that Gremlin Spray? I could use it on a tweaky little 8230. Damn thing won't screw up when I'm watching. EVER! But walk away...

                  Doug

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                  • #10
                    Re: pin feed

                    That machine thinks it's a 70 [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
                    Pinspotters do not break down when they are not running!

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                    • #11
                      Re: pin feed

                      Make sure your pinfeed solenoid is not sticking...ive had 2 gone bad within the last month...they just wouldnt release when the counter got to zero.

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                      • #12
                        Re: pin feed

                        Originally posted by Don49er:
                        Make sure your pinfeed solenoid is not sticking...ive had 2 gone bad within the last month...they just wouldnt release when the counter got to zero.
                        <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don...He has the Clutch/Kidney Conversion. There is no Pinfeed solenoid. But, yes I have seen that too on unconverted 30's. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

                        Louie [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/usflag.jpg[/img]
                        Experience: Currently Help Maintain 44 82-30s and 50 82-70s.

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                        • #13
                          Re: pin feed

                          First thing I just want to thank everyone for their help. I found a wire that was "welded" to the side of the box, that took care of the pinwheel problem . But now I can't get the sweep in time.(I know you all probably have a "favorite" machine, lane 3 is mine if you know what I mean [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] ) It has been a "FUN" nite. I will go thru the archives for tips on the coasting sweep, know I've seen some tips there.
                          thanks again [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
                          &quot;I used to be somebody, just can't remember who that is&quot;

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                          • #14
                            Re: pin feed

                            new kid where is bagley mn at im by mankato jb

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