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    yep another problem,I think I'M working on a movie for the twilight zone! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]
    82/70 omega tek. sweep does not stop at 270,just goes to zero and stops.
    it does not cause any problems unless the bin is not full,and the bowlers push the reset button at right time then it will interlock.
    if the cycle button is not pushed,as soon as the 9 pin goes in it sets pins with the sweep up. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]
    changed chassis--still same,adjusted sa, then replaced the switch! still no good.
    any ideas,thanks
    KEN.B

  • #2
    Re: sweep goes past 270

    That sounds like a cam or switch problem... check you table switches and cams as well.

    I'll make a recommendation... if you're going to change one camswitch, change the whole pack... usually they're all about the same age, and if one fails, it's very likely that the others are borderline or on their way out.

    You have to disassemble the pack to change one anyway, you might as well hit the other two while you're at it...they're cheap enough. Then you know that the're all OK without second-guessing things.
    <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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    • #3
      Re: sweep goes past 270

      Good advice here "G". We always do that, if cam switches are suspected of something the whole bank gets changed, saves a lot of trouble later on. Does sound like a cam problem to me, maybe TA-2. That runs the sweep back up after 2nd guard (with omega-tek boards anyway) as you guys taught me [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
      All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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      • #4
        Re: sweep goes past 270

        another problem found. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]
        found 5 terminals in c2a plug that were not crimped on but smashed around the wire.
        I started pulling on one wire at a time and a few the terminal was not locked into the plug,and a couple the wire came out in my hand! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
        so I don't know what wire was causing the problem but it's working now! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] thanks for the help.
        KEN.B

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        • #5
          Re: sweep goes past 270

          Just for future reference (and because it's easy to 'move around' the code)... I posted this on another forum, but I'll attach it here, too... it may come in handy.

          C2A Chassis-Side Pinout:
          <table width="700" border="1">
          <tr><td>ROW4</td><td>.</td><td>(DD)
          TAC-GPS</td><td>(Z)
          SC-N.O.</td><td>(V)
          TAC-10</td><td>(R)
          TAC-9</td><td>(K)
          TAC-8</td><td>(E)
          TAC-7</td><td>(a)
          TAC-6</td><td>(w)
          TAC-5</td><td>(s)
          TAC-4</td><td>(m)
          TAC-3</td><td>(h)
          TAC-2</td><td>(c)
          TAC-1</td></tr><tr><td>ROW3</td><td>(FF)
          BEC
          BE-#1</td><td>(BB)
          TA1/SA-COM
          SW-S #6</td><td>(x)
          SB-N.C.</td><td>(t)
          TAC-COM</td><td>(n)
          TA1-N.O.</td><td>(h)
          Blank</td><td>(c)
          Blank</td><td>(y)
          TSG-3</td><td>(u)
          TA3-COM
          SC-N.O.</td><td>(p)
          AMC-11A</td><td>(k)
          AMC-31C</td><td>(e)
          10th
          Frame
          BLK</td><td>(a)
          10th
          Frame
          WHT</td></tr><tr>
          <td>ROW2</td><td>.</td><td>(EE)
          BEC-
          INDEX
          SW - #2</td><td>(AA)
          TA2-N.C.</td><td>(w)
          OS-N.O.</td><td>(s)
          SA-N.C.</td><td>(m)
          TAC-GPS</td><td>(f)
          SA-N.O.
          BEC
          Cycle #1</td><td>(b)
          BEC
          CB-A</td><td>(x)
          TA2-N.O.
          BS-N.C.</td><td>(t)
          OS-COM</td><td>(n)
          MGRS
          CT-BL</td><td>(j)
          BEC
          CB-C</td><td>(d)
          SWS-4</td></tr>
          <tr><td>ROW1</td><td>Blank? </td>
          <td>(CC)
          BS-COM</td><td>(y)
          SB-N.O.</td><td>(u)
          TA1-N.C.</td><td>(p)
          BEC
          T-#2</td><td>(j)
          BEC
          CB-B</td><td>(d)
          Blank?</td><td>(z)
          BEC
          S-#2</td><td>(v)
          MGRS
          CT-WH</td><td>(r)
          BEC
          Cycle #2</td><td>(l)
          BEC
          BE-#2</td><td>(f)
          PIT LT</td><td>(b)
          BEC
          S-#1</td></tr>
          </table>
          <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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          • #6
            Re: sweep goes past 270

            Hey GMan !! Do you have one for the C1 plug ? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] That tells what the particular wire controls ?( sweep,pit,etc.)
            I never had a "10" ;..but ,one night after closing,..I did five " 2's" !

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            • #7
              Re: sweep goes past 270

              I do have one, but it's incomplete... some of the pins are marked that a wire goes to them, but no designation about what they are was ever written in. If you want it, let me know &amp; I'll post it.

              Mebbe between all of us we can finish it... I don't have the time I need to climb up on a machine and chase wires anymore.

              I think I'm going to take the diagrams and such and post them permanently on my bowling equipment page or the troubleshooting page.
              <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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              • #8
                Re: sweep goes past 270

                "G" if ya ever do plz shoot a post out, I'd love to have diagrams like that for all plugs to stick at the toolbox at work [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
                All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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                • #9
                  Re: sweep goes past 270

                  Originally posted by Pindecked:
                  Hey GMan !! Do you have one for the C1 plug ? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] That tells what the particular wire controls ?( sweep,pit,etc.)
                  <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I made one up one time that showed where the wires went (the terminals in the wireway) how long they were and color. Was a necessity because I had to rebuild 14 C1 cables (in a 16 lane house) that had been hacked on.

                  Someone had the bright idea it was easier to replace blocks on the cable side by making up one with short pigtails and butt connecting them on.

                  A few of the C2A's were done that way too.

                  Made the top ten on my "Stupid Mechanic Tricks" list. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
                  -- Larry

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                  • #10
                    Re: sweep goes past 270

                    [quote]Originally posted by TheLegend:
                    Someone had the bright idea it was easier to replace blocks on the cable side by making up one with short pigtails and butt connecting them on.
                    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We had a few like that on our machines, too... surprisingly enough, though, it does work. I just didn't trust them... most of them were on the C2A plug. Instead of rewiring the whole mess, I cut the butt connectors out one by one, soldered the wires together, then put heatshrink tube around them. At least I'm sure that a good solder connection won't come loose like a butt connector if it's pulled or flexed.
                    <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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