Offspots

[Pulse Tech]

Ok who is doing the most offspots per week and whats everyone doing to stop them
Many of the guys over here in Australia are resorting to extreme measures
suck as craft glue on the pindeck
water proof membrane around the pin spots
some of the brunswick guys are putting tape over the spots

[TheGMan143]

Re: Offspots

What ever happened to spraying 'toughskin' on the deck?

"toughskin", for anyone who's wondering, is used in sports and such to add traction to a hard, slippery surface like a gymnasium floor. Basically, it's a waterbased 'lite-tac' glue that makes the floor just sticky enough to give some traction for pushing off at a starting line, etc...

Works great on pindecks... NO sliders. Anything that 'would have slid' just falls over like it had the rug pulled out from underneath it.

Not the greatest on the lane machine, though... and if it's left on, it collects dust like crazy.

[Coors]

Re: Offspots

"Legends" Pindeck treatment. works miracles. im sure shipping to autralia will be killer, but it'll be worth it.

after synthetic pindeck install, OOR's went through the roof. spray on after stripping, we honestly dont have OOR's & respots for like 2-3 days

[Coors]

Re: Offspots

a quicker and more immediate solution would be bleach. i used it straight, just hope its nice enough to leave the doors open for a while

[TheGMan143]

Re: Offspots

I've heard of coating the decks with 'soft' urethane coat (like kickback coating)... it has a 'tacky' feel to it as long as it's kept clean.

You've never seen sliders and OORs until you've seen a lane machine mess up and oil/buff right to the back of the deck. Amazing pin action with conditioner on the deck, but the OORs will kill you.

[8270king]

Re: Offspots

I use Yak goo.

Ed Fox sells it in the spray bottle.

I do not know how he procures the goo.

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JK

[Ed Fox]

Re: Offspots

Originally posted by 82/70 king:
I use Yak goo.

Ed Fox sells it in the spray bottle.

I do not know how he procures the goo.

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JK

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have your Dad working overtime to keep up with the demand! :p

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[TheLegend]

Re: Offspots

On a wood pindeck I used Brunswick Shield and the top edge of a bar glass as a stamp to put a "speed bump" ring around each deck spot. The ring ends up not much more than .005" tall which does not violate ABC specs.

[Andrew]

Re: Offspots

A long time ago, when we still had a VLS lane stripper (the machine, not the girl), we used to spray the deck after stripping it (i.e. you reach the pit, and then on the way back you flick the spray on for a bit to coat the pin deck).

This *only* worked (not suprisingly) when we used a strong ammonia based cleaner (HF was its name - strong stuff - stonger than an infants wee). It most certainly would not work if using a more soapy cleaner. With the ammonia cleaner - it worked a treat (and man that stuff really cleaned the lanes too).

However, our company sort of banned the stuff because it was probably giving us all nose cancer or something. And we don't strip the lanes with a VLS anymore.

But, I reckon you could spray the deck with an ammonia cleaner (but non-soap based) and it might help (do it at the end of a night to allow it to dry). I think Coors mentioned bleach - I think that is the same as ammonia. Of course, it may have been perculiar to the 'HF' cleaner we were using.

We have also used the spray adhesive. It's good for stopping offspots, but man it makes a mess.

Cheers,
Andrew.

Aside: The problem is, the urethane lane coating is designed to allow slip with oil (for the balls). Why they do we use the same stuff on the pindecks (where really you don't want any slip)? The old wooden decks had black wood inserts for spots (which got coated with the urethane as well) - why didn't they invent some sort of rubbery-plastic spot insert that you didn't coat with urethan (maybe you have to put them in after the relaquer) - that way, the pin spots would always be naturally 'stickier'. Just thinking out loud.... Hey what about some sort of laminate circles that you stick on the spots - maybe made of a rubbery material? Ok, bed time...

[8270king]

Re: Offspots

Originally posted by TheLegend:
On a wood pindeck I used Brunswick Shield and the top edge of a bar glass as a stamp to put a "speed bump" ring around each deck spot. The ring ends up not much more than .005" tall which does not violate ABC specs.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Great Idea.

JK

[felix]

Re: Offspots

Originally posted by TheGMan143:
[QB]I've heard of coating the decks with 'soft' urethane coat (like kickback coating)... it has a 'tacky' feel to it as long as it's kept clean.

QB]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Felix Uses:Perry Austen Uni-Flex Basecoat. Just Brush or Roll on, Once and Sometimes twice a Year. Its Tacky and gets Dirty Look'in, [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] but works great.

[Joeyamfi]

Re: Offspots

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pulse Tech:
[QB]Ok who is doing the most offspots....

During league play I average maybe 2-3 off spots (OOR) per 25000 frames bowled weekly. I clean backends daily and use a good liquid detergent(Dawn) once a month. I have 20 yr old Brunswick syn lanes and armor plate pin decks. Off spots are more prevelant when kids are using bumpers but what the hell my B's need the exercise.

"I'm a better bowler cuz I am a southpaw."

[Pulse Tech]

Re: Offspots

wow you clean lour b/e's once a month joey im glad i don't bowl in your house
thanks for all the input guys
we are trying out Kegel no pin slide at the moment. Seems good i think we have about halved our offspots Or Bruns Speak{outa range} one other idea we tried out was using some gaurdin sheeting from another centre
we cut out rings to go around the pinspots
didn't work to well
i like andrews idea with the softer spots but im sure they would wear
not a bad thing if you have timber


P.S Andrew how is northcote going

[AmfPro]

Re: Offspots

We save all the old screens from every resurfacing and use them to scuff the pin deck spots every 3 months or so. ABC says not to do this, but our Rep lets it slide. Have tried the Perry Austin NPS stuff-works pretty good but is too expensive for daily use.