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  • Sure Pik relay problem.

    Seems this one is chassis related. Last season 5&6 kept staying on and frying the relay. Hasn't happened for a while. However, it's happening on 15 & 16 now. Made a new socket per GMAN's instructions and it still chatters and sparks. Put a jumper on TB2 2&3 and it stopped so we thought it was an underground cable problem. Replaced it and no luck. What I found is that I had been turning on 15 only to test it. It stops when 15 & 16 are both on. Or if 16 is on without 15. Well, the chassis I had on 5 last year has been on 15 for a while because I was testing it which is another story, scoring related. So this chattering, sparking, frying relay problem is following chassis labled #5. What should I look to fix this in this chassis??

    Charley
    Charley
    82-70's SS Chassis Omega-Tek w/expanders
    2009 Qubica scoring 3QT's and 6 box.

  • #2
    Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

    Drop it off the end machine!...lol

    JK

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    • #3
      Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

      lol king. Doesn't one of the relays (M2 I believe) have something to do with the ball returns up front? I remember a guy I work with telling me a story about one of the relays in the chassis causing Sure-Pik problems. Swap M and M2 maybe and see if that helps?
      All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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      • #4
        Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

        Originally posted by Rep:
        lol king. Doesn't one of the relays (M2 I believe) have something to do with the ball returns up front? I remember a guy I work with telling me a story about one of the relays in the chassis causing Sure-Pik problems. Swap M and M2 maybe and see if that helps?
        <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">M1....M2 is for shortened strike and 7/10 pickoff.
        "Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"

        --Kat

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        • #5
          Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

          I thought M2 had to do with delay? The expanders have a relay for 7-10 pick off, gutter and fast strike. Those features aren't there without a conversion. Just wondering.
          Charley
          82-70's SS Chassis Omega-Tek w/expanders
          2009 Qubica scoring 3QT's and 6 box.

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          • #6
            Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

            Originally posted by FARLEY AMF 70/90XL:
            I thought M2 had to do with delay? The expanders have a relay for 7-10 pick off, gutter and fast strike. Those features aren't there without a conversion. Just wondering.
            <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My post regarding the M2 was for the MP Chassis. I dunno about the setup on the SS or wanna-be MP conversions. You may be right on that.
            "Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"

            --Kat

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            • #7
              Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

              OK, I dug out "BUB" (the Big Ugly Book) and looked around a bit...

              A shur-pik on a '70 attaches to the AM&amp;C box, and the machines only act as a switch. The shur-pik relay is powered via the 24V transformer in the control box. The only thing going to the backend is a set of wires that complete the 24VAC circuit through the shurpik relay and the 24V transformer. No power feeds from the machine to the shurpik control box.

              The AM&amp;C box attaches to the machine via the TS strip and (commonly) directly to the C2A plug. You may want to check the pins on C2A at 33-K, 34-P, 36-Y... these should be in the second row from the top of the plug... look for two 'blanks' near the center of the row. from the 'blanks', 36-Y is next to the righthand blank pin, then skip over one pin, and the next pin is 34-P, and next to that is 33-K... it's pretty hard to explain without a pic...

              O O O O O O O O O O O O - Top Row
              O O O O O B B X O X X O O - Row 2
              O O O O O O O O O O O O - Row 3
              B O O O O O O O O O O O O - Bottom Row

              The 3 X's should be the three of the pins that go to the AM&amp;C box... if one of those pins is burned, loose, or "pushing back" when you plug in the machine C2A, it could cause a problem like you're describing.

              Also (if I remember it right), on the SS chassis it's the M relay that controls machine-off time delay, and I think M2 handles machine-on functions (pit light, T &amp; S contactor power, etc...). M2 drops out when the machine is turned off by the manager's control circuit... Since the shurpik continues to run on the time delay with the backend, the M relay and socket might be a good starting point. As to what contact set on M actually operates the shur-pik, I'm not sure.

              Hope that helps a little...
              <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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              • #8
                Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

                Shouldve clarified, I was talking about SS chassis's in my earlier post. Sorry [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]
                All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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                • #9
                  Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

                  The "H" relay controls the off time delay on the SS chassis. It holds the 24V to keep the M relay energized after the machine's shut off.
                  -- Larry

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                  • #10
                    Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

                    sURPIK RELAY IS PULLED IN THROUGH M2 RELAY CONTACTS 9 AND 11. CHECK BOTTOM OF SOCKET FOR A BAD SOLDER JOINT. THEN READ FROM #9 TOC2A34P AND FROM TERM 11 TO C2A33K. THAT SHOULD FIX THE PROBLEM IF YHE RELAY M2 IS GOOD.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Sure Pik relay problem.

                      Yeah sorry, SS chassis with omega tek. Thanks did some checking, would've corrected myself earlier on the function of M2, but i've been busy. Now I just have to see if I can fix it just in case i need that chassis someday.

                      Charley
                      Charley
                      82-70's SS Chassis Omega-Tek w/expanders
                      2009 Qubica scoring 3QT's and 6 box.

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