not cycling ????

[Don J]

one of my machines (82/70) still stays in the same cycle after playing max 10 minutes...sometimes we can trow 10 times before the machines go to next cycle.
I switched already the chassis and also the interface of my "Boss 8.2 scoring system", even if I cut off all the software, the machine stays in the same cycle...any idea plzzz ??

thx
Don J (belgium)

[8270king]

Re: not cycling ????

Try adjusting the TA2 switch.

JK

[TheGMan143]

Re: not cycling ????

I agree... sounds like a switch out of adjustment, or one that's heading south.

Do your switch adjustments on the machine first, and if it still seems to have a problem, change out the switch pack(s), especially if you're not sure when they were changed last.

Some advice... if you're going to change one switch in the pack, change all three; it doesn't take all that much in time and materials to do it, and it's good insurance against having to tear it back apart because one of the other switches went out... They're usually around the same age, and if one is going bad, chances are the others aren't far behind.

[Brunsamf]

Re: not cycling ????

Am I correct in assuming that the TA2 should close a split second before the TA1? In other words, the sweep contactor should shut off a hair before the table or at the same time. If the cluster cams are mis-adjusted and the table stops before the sweep, would this cause it to fail to switch ball cycle? On another note, GMAN, I have failed to send Alastair the Omega Tec conversion to change TA1 to TA2 like I promised. I'm not that good on the PC. I have pics & a print of the old board. Would you please email me and explain once more. Thank-you Bill

[Louie_IV]

Re: not cycling ????

By reading his post, I'm not sure if he means the machine will go through many 1st ball cycles in a row, or the machine will just not cycle at all?? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Louie

[Rep]

Re: not cycling ????

Sounds to me like it isn't changing ball lights. Just had it act up on lane 11 to me the other night TA-2 is the culprit. Try adjusting cam gaps first, make sure they're ok, if the problem stays put 3 new microswitches in for the table cams, thank you drive thru [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

[TheGMan143]

Re: not cycling ????

Originally posted by Brunsamf:

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The sweep can stop before the table does... sometimes by as much as a second or so. (we run fast/slow motors &amp; gearboxes {50&amp;60Hz} on the same machine) I've never tried to force the table to stop before the sweep, but I don't think it would do anything... if you watch an SS chassis converted to Omega-Tek w/ Qubica scoring; on a 1st ball 7/10 pickoff the table doesn't run... the sweep runs down, reverses back up, stops, and then 'hops' up a fraction of a revolution more to bounce the switch, which indexes the machine to 2nd ball... so in that case, the S- camswitches are indexing the machine.

On another note, GMAN, I have failed to send Alastair the Omega Tec conversion to change TA1 to TA2 like I promised. I'm not that good on the PC. I have pics &amp; a print of the old board. Would you please email me and explain once more. Thank-you Bill

I'm not sure what you need here... You need to post or send the stuff? I don't remember a TA1/TA2 conversion...

If you need it posted here, just email the pics/info to me and I'll put them up on a server for you.

[TheGMan143]

Re: not cycling ????

Originally posted by Louie:
By reading his post, I'm not sure if he means the machine will go through many 1st ball cycles in a row, or the machine will just not cycle at all?? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Louie

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was taking it as if they threw the ball, machine ran 1st ball cycle, then stayed in first ball. The next ball thrown would also run a first-ball cycle. etc...

[Rep]

Re: not cycling ????

The sweep can stop before the table does... sometimes by as much as a second or so. (we run fast/slow motors &amp; gearboxes {50&amp;60Hz} on the same machine) I've never tried to force the table to stop before the sweep, but I don't think it would do anything... if you watch an SS chassis converted to Omega-Tek w/ Qubica scoring; on a 1st ball 7/10 pickoff the table doesn't run... the sweep runs down, reverses back up, stops, and then 'hops' up a fraction of a revolution more to bounce the switch, which indexes the machine to 2nd ball...

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Same story here, we have a handful of machines with fast sweeps and slow tables, and yes the sweep does stop first, no problems there. And we have omega-tek boards with Accuscore + does the same thing as you mentioned on a 7 or 10 pickoff or gutterball, drops, reverses, hops a bit and boom it's on 2nd ball