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    I have two backup chasis' in the shop. When the ball is thrown the table will not drop. I can manually use the T1? T3 to bring it down. I assume this is a chasis problem. The chasis' should be done early this week. Need the lane for tonight.

    Any ideas much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!
    "If I didn't love to bowl, I swear I'd sell the place!"

  • #2
    Re: Delayed Table

    Since the chassis' were moved/exchanged, check the simple stuff first:

    Take a look at the C1 and C2A plugs on both sides... make sure none of the pins have pushed back into the connector.

    Check the sweep switch/cam adjustments... if an adjustment is marginal, a different chassis may not read the switches like the one that was taken off... use your go/no-go gauge to reset them.

    If you're using scoring/triggering, make sure all the connections are correct.

    Check the OS switch and wiring.
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    • #3
      Re: Delayed Table

      Is this happening on both first and second ball? I'm assuming it's first ball. "G" had good suggestions as always, I'll add to check your GPS itself and the wiring (if it's still hooked up). Also if you have Omega-Tek boards try swapping out the MK-70, we had a bad one once that caused no table. Good luck!
      All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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      • #4
        Re: Delayed Table

        Still new with the terminology also -

        Please explain (w/o laughing if possible [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] )

        1) Take a look at the C1 and C2A plugs on both sides...
        I've changed many pit wires but thats about it.

        2) go/no-go gauge to reset them

        Thanks
        "If I didn't love to bowl, I swear I'd sell the place!"

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        • #5
          Re: Delayed Table

          Originally posted by Mike Anderson:
          Still new with the terminology also -

          Please explain (w/o laughing if possible [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] )

          1) Take a look at the C1 and C2A plugs on both sides...
          I've changed many pit wires but thats about it.

          2) go/no-go gauge to reset them

          Thanks
          <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">C1 and C2A plugs are the 2 plugs that go into the chassis on the right hand side (looking at the machine from the back). The go/no-go gauge is a small goofy looking gauge used for cam gap adjustment, it's got a fat end and the other end is a bit skinnier. Hope this helps.
          All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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          • #6
            Re: Delayed Table

            I was right on the C1 and C2A plugs. Have played with them. Will check.

            A no go for the go/no-go gauge. Have never seen one in here since I've bought the place. Where can I get one and how do I use it. (Seriously)

            Never taught me this in college. Went for health education and decided to buy an alley instead.

            Thanks for all the help. This really is informative.
            "If I didn't love to bowl, I swear I'd sell the place!"

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            • #7
              Re: Delayed Table

              Originally posted by Mike Anderson:
              I was right on the C1 and C2A plugs. Have played with them. Will check.

              A no go for the go/no-go gauge. Have never seen one in here since I've bought the place. Where can I get one and how do I use it. (Seriously)

              Never taught me this in college. Went for health education and decided to buy an alley instead.

              Thanks for all the help. This really is informative.
              <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You can get the gauge from AMF, can't seem to find a pic of it at the moment but the part number is (from AMF's site) 030-002-748 Cam Gauge (Table-Sweep). I'll see if I can dig up a pic of it for ya somewhere, I'm out of work on disability so I can't just snag a pic myself. As far as using it, it's rather easy to do. Just crank the motor til the flat spot on the cam you're adjusting is facing you, and slip the gauge in. The fatter end should activate the switch while the skinnier end shouldn't. I'll look for a pic of the gauge for ya or if anyone else has it post away [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
              Best I can do for now is this <a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF" target="_blank">http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/90XLMA4.PDF</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a> part #8 on 2nd page, just a drawing but thats about what it looks like, still searching for a good pic [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
              All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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              • #8
                Re: Delayed Table

                Originally posted by Mike Anderson:
                Never taught me this in college. Went for health education and decided to buy an alley instead.
                <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The class was Pinspotters 101

                [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

                JK

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                • #9
                  Re: Delayed Table

                  Seriously....rotate the cam to the high part of the cam when the switch opens....loosen the jam nut.....screw in the stop screw until the switch engages.......unscrew stop bolt until it disengages.....then loosen stop screw one exact turn....tighten jam nut.

                  JK

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                  • #10
                    Re: Delayed Table

                    Open your fingers...............

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                    • #11
                      Re: Delayed Table

                      AMF refers to the cam gauge as GAUGE ST 2748. If you have an 82/70 'spotter manual, the cam adjustments are on page 5.4 &amp; 5.5 of the 'mechanical adjustments' section.

                      I highlighted the tool from the manual pic:


                      Dano has a point... I forgot to mention that one. Check the GP switch wiring on the table if it still exists.

                      Easiest way is to open the front wireway, and look for a board between the motor capacitors with a lot of terminals on it. If you are still using a table cable, there will be about 13 wires coming off of it and leadin out of the wireway to the table plug. The two yellow wires at the lower left and right of the board are the 'gripper protection switch' wires. Throw a jumper across them and see if the table runs... if it corrects the problem, you can leave it like that temporarily to make the machine run until it's permanently repaired. (Some also eliminate the table cable and leave the GP wires jumpered... it's fairly safe, but if the fingers are closed, the machine will run anyway, possibly damaging them... but it's a pretty rare occurrence)
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                      • #12
                        Re: Delayed Table

                        G - What are items #5 &amp; #13?

                        Since there's 3 of item #13, I ASSUME they're table flags but they don't look like any flags I've seen before.

                        I don't even have a guess as to what #5 is.

                        I apologize for my ignorance. I’ve only been doing this for 19 yrs.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Delayed Table

                          Originally posted by Dutch:
                          G - What are items #5 &amp; #13?

                          Since there's 3 of item #13, I ASSUME they're table flags but they don't look like any flags I've seen before.

                          I don't even have a guess as to what #5 is.

                          I apologize for my ignorance. I’ve only been doing this for 19 yrs.
                          <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm with you here, I didn't recognize either tool(s). You were correct about #13, on AMF's site it says those are steel table locating tools (table flags) and #5 is labeled as "Yoke front adjustment fixture" another steel table tool I'm assuming?
                          All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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                          • #14
                            Re: Delayed Table

                            #5 = waterlevel/square ??
                            #13 = pieces of some kind of AMP hand crimping tool??

                            I like trivia's [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
                            So it goes.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Delayed Table

                              I'm not sure myself... Other than the carpet flag/rivet tool, crank, belt lacer, gauge block, cam gauge, etc..., I'm not sure either.

                              Not that the pic says "steel table"... isn't that what an 82-90/90XL has? 70's have cast aluminum tables right across the board as far as I know. I think those are for a newer machine than the ones I've been around.
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