Best PBL Belt

[Smokey]

What is the best PBL belt out there? I have about half my center with humpbacks, and I'm yanking'em cause the suck horribly. I have a couple of the new AMF belts, but if a ball has looked at oil in the last year, it ain't going up. We are using control lane oil. Any input appreciated.

[Kat]

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Call Newell's Bowling Supply in California 1-800-796-2200. Ask them for the Grey ball lift belt. I've got most of these across the house and they work great. I've never tried the Humpbacks (I've got Full PBLs w/LBS) so I cannot comment on them; but I've heard they are good. So I'm curious as to the problems you're having. Have you contacted Lifelong about your issues? I believe their Customer Support is excellent.

[Dutch]

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Smokey,

I like the black AMF belt best (right now).

JCP sells an orange belt that seems to work fine. I only have 1 installed right now but I haven't had a single problem eith it since it was installed last summer.

Stahl's has a grey belt that works very well after an initial break-in period. At 1st they suck but so did the original orange from AMF, until they broke in.

[8270king]

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How much for the humpy belts?

jk

[Coors]

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id like a crack at some spare humpy parts as well. let me know when you throw them out, ill be there with my pick'm up truck

[Rizash]

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do not get the super gripper belt... that thing is nothing but headaches! (whatever its called, the one with the rectangles that stick up)

[Smokey]

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If you like mis drilled ball doors, belts that don't last, shattered lower pulleys, and loose everything in the ball exit area, then the humpbacks are for you. Dutch can back me up on this, we got some of the first humpbacks made, and a lot of the ball doors were mis drilled. We sent them back, and got new mis drilled ones. I also got some balls that will NOT go up the humpbacks, so they really aren't helping that much. I plan on pulling them out this summer, so I'll let you guys know when you can raid the Hilton. Thanks for the input

[8270king]

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Originally posted by Smokey:
If you like mis drilled ball doors, belts that don't last, shattered lower pulleys, and loose everything in the ball exit area, then the humpbacks are for you. Dutch can back me up on this, we got some of the first humpbacks made, and a lot of the ball doors were mis drilled. We sent them back, and got new mis drilled ones. I also got some balls that will NOT go up the humpbacks, so they really aren't helping that much. I plan on pulling them out this summer, so I'll let you guys know when you can raid the Hilton. Thanks for the input

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well that has not been my experience.

You have to remember 1 thing....do not use nylock nuts on AMF machines.....there was a reason the engineers chose geade 8 bolts and Stover lock nuts.....Stover nuts do not come loose.

JK

[Dutch]

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King,

I have to back Smokey on this one. When those ball doors were mounted there wasn't a ball that would go into them. They were too short. When I contacted Lifelong they said that the jig they use to weld the "ears" on with had worn. It wasn't that they had been miss-drilled. They sent us new ones (about 30 or 40) &amp; they were better but still didn't fit right.

Everything at Hilton is secured with stovers. I can't explain why they loosen but they do. The only guess I have is that their lineage is tremendously high. As I've said before, Hilton is the perfect place to test parts. If a part would normally fail in 10 yrs at an average house, it'll fail in less than 2 yrs at Hilton.

I'm not trying to bash the Humpy. I think it's a good product for an average house. What I am saying is that Smokey didn't half-a$$ anything. He may not have 20 yrs under his belt but he was trained by some of the best.

[8270king]

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I am sorry to hear you have had problems....If the lineage is that high you should double stover lock nut the ball door rings.

I double stover lock nut my bounce board brackets...and I have NEVER had one come loose.

JK

[felix]

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Originally posted by 82/70 king:
I am sorry to hear you have had problems....If the lineage is that high you should double stover lock nut the ball door rings.

I double stover lock nut my bounce board brackets...and I have NEVER had one come loose.

JK

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Chances.. are there is no room for double stover nuts on the ball door ring. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] (front rail..top especially) [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] I have all my failed ball door rings welded with new stover nuts and the tabs still break...but MY NUTS are Just Fine! [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] ..P.S. I Can't believe you cannot get enough foot pounds per square inch Jerry, to keep your Broad Down. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

[old-school-mechanic]

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If you have any hump-back's left over I'll take the rest. Dont have a clue why your having so much trouble. I have not seen any one of the things you describe. First ones did have a seperation problem. But they have been replaced &amp; I have not had one bit of trouble. Still have 4 machines to switch over. So let me know &amp; I'll take everything you dont want

[Rizash]

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Originally posted by 82/70 king:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Smokey:
If you like mis drilled ball doors, belts that don't last, shattered lower pulleys, and loose everything in the ball exit area, then the humpbacks are for you. Dutch can back me up on this, we got some of the first humpbacks made, and a lot of the ball doors were mis drilled. We sent them back, and got new mis drilled ones. I also got some balls that will NOT go up the humpbacks, so they really aren't helping that much. I plan on pulling them out this summer, so I'll let you guys know when you can raid the Hilton. Thanks for the input

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well that has not been my experience.

You have to remember 1 thing....do not use nylock nuts on AMF machines.....there was a reason the engineers chose geade 8 bolts and Stover lock nuts.....Stover nuts do not come loose.

JK</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You're not joking about stover lock nuts... Broke 2 allen wrenches trying to get a broken ball door ring off the other night... ended up having to hack-saw them off once we got them turned out far enough to get a blade in there!

[Kingram]

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Originally posted by Adam:
do not get the super gripper belt... that thing is nothing but headaches! (whatever its called, the one with the rectangles that stick up)

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think you're referring to the Chinese paddle wheel type belt. Ever notice on the CD how the ball drops back and hesitates each time it clears one of these steps? Sort of like watching one of the old type flicker movies in slow motion.

Re: those pesky stover nuts; I renamed them funucs,because they $#46up my knuckles everytime I use them. Thats why we use nyloc's with a couple of drops of 262 LOCTITE. Works fine for me.

[Mike Stalker]

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Adam, what do you not like about the Super Gripper Belts? As far as I am concerned, they look like the belt that will save the next generation techs. I think that the drive part of the cogs could be tapered but the belt looks sound.

As we can foresee we are needing more and more oil on the lanes. I don't really see the peak as far as units in the middle and we all know that this is where the open bowler plays.

The super gripper gives the humpback effect and you can easily change back to regular belts anytime.

Just curious.
Mike