Stuck pins causing resets

[TheCatfish]

Lane 3 has been the #1 source of respots for the last few weeks. Pin(s) have been getting caught under the back board by the ball door. The force generated by the carpet moving is setting off the reset trigger. First, the carpet was changed. It needed it anyway. Problem got worse. Took it out and made sure everything was where it should be. Problem came back with one difference. Pins were originally getting caught at the barrel with the head facing the bowler. Just the board was stopping it. Now, a pin or two will get under facing the opposite direction. The head will ride up the curved plate that guides them toward the middle and get caught at an angle. Its generating even more force against the trigger that way. I noticed the other day that the board appears to be 1/4" closer to the carpet on that lane. That will obviously help pins get stuck, but how can that be different? And, why would it start this month if it might have been like that long before? We are stumped here.

[Ed Fox]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Make sure you have the right cushion block on the exit side....the weldment sits towards the top of the box. If its close to touching the bottom of the box its the wrong block and or the block is worn.

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[Brunsamf]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

I once assembled a plank wrong. I used an even rubber instead of an odd and when I installed it, the pins, in certain spots, would get caught between the rubber and the carpet. What a mess. It also damaged the pins. The owner was pi$$ed but he got over it, I think. But in your case, in a pinch, I have used a chain looped over the round tube of the weldment attached to the cross angle of the dist. mount. That pulled it up and allowed it to swing freely.

[Guest]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Check to see if the bounce plate had been shimmed.

If the cushion blocks are good and the cushion
weldment is not elongated where the plank bolts up to it, Then it could be the facing and the rubber.

[dewbowler]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Originally posted by mechanixman:
Check to see if the bounce plate had been shimmed.

If the cushion blocks are good and the cushion
weldment is not elongated where the plank bolts up to it, Then it could be the facing and the rubber.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Also check the cushion rubber mounts. Just changed one out a few weeks ago that had deteriated so bad that it actually was almost 1/2 inch lower. Check both tube mounts too, make sure all bolt are in place and that they are on correct side.

[Dutch]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Cause
1) Check for broken cushion block ‘ears” or loose bolts.
2) Check for worn cushion blocks.
3) Make sure cushion face wasn’t put on backwards.
4) Make sure the plank bolts haven’t come loose &amp; elongated the holes in the hanger.
5) If the pit checks out OK &amp; so do all of the above, make sure the facing &amp; rubber aren’t hanging lower than the plank. If they are &amp; they’re installed correctly, they can be trimmed a little to allow more room for the pins to go thru.

Possible Symptom Cure
Check the start switch bracket to see if there is a shim between it &amp; the BE motor mount frame. If there’s one there, remove it. The reason for the shim is to make the machine cycle easier (for light balls).

I have a machine that just started doing this too. Only mine is caused by the O/B/D side of the cushion. After checking everything I came to the conclusion that when I welded the hanger the last time I somehow made the arm a little longer than it’s supposed to be. Once I removed the SS bracket shim the respots went away. Some day, when I have time, I’ll fix the hanger.

[simbowling2002]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Experienced this my self a time or two.
Sounds like the cushion mounts! This had already been said, just want to 2nd it.
**possible- check shock on cushion for collar distance, book says 4 1/2"

[8270king]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Put in triggering, throw all start switches in the trash.

[Kat]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Originally posted by 82/70 king:
Put in triggering, throw all start switches in the trash.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Jerry must have some kind of stock interest in trash/refuse removal companies. I've noticed he like to use "dumpsters" and recommends others to utilize the trash way too often.
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(Just yankin your chain, Jerry. I enjoy reading some of your posts and as stated before, usually agree with most of them)

[Rep]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Hmm... "King" Waste removal systems, I think I remember seeing dumpsters with that label on them [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] Right King? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

[John_Galt]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Dutch's words are gold on this subject.

When electronic triggering is installed, SS's should be left installed (but maybe with a terminal off) as a backup to the triggering. They can also be handy replacements for the BS in an emergency.

BTW, even if electronic triggering is installed, pins stuck against the cushion look terrible to the customer and may cause misscoring and ball exit problems, and may slow down cycle time. It isn't a problem to be ignored. Sorry King!

Chad

[John_Galt]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Also, I once saw a 7-10 picked-up because the 10 bounced off of a pin stuck against the cushion and ricocheted into the 7. Fair?
C

[Rep]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Originally posted by Magic Triangle:
Dutch's words are gold on this subject.

When electronic triggering is installed, SS's should be left installed (but maybe with a terminal off) as a backup to the triggering. They can also be handy replacements for the BS in an emergency.

BTW, even if electronic triggering is installed, pins stuck against the cushion look terrible to the customer and may cause misscoring and ball exit problems, and may slow down cycle time. It isn't a problem to be ignored. Sorry King!

Chad

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We had electronic triggering installed on a few lanes years ago, we left the SS's in. Came in handy as the units went south one by one (I dunno who made em but they sucked) and as they went all we did was pull the plugs. Definately saved a lot of trouble by leaving them in, for us anyway

[8270king]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Bowltronics triggering is KING....only one failure (sensing unit) on 40 lanes in 5 years.

You get what you pay for.

JK

[Rep]

Re: Stuck pins causing resets

Originally posted by 82/70 king:
Bowltronics triggering is KING....only one failure (sensing unit) on 40 lanes in 5 years.

You get what you pay for.

JK

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If we ever do replace them I'll definately look into the bowltronics ones, the ones we had were installed before I started working there, and when I started some were already unplugged and broken, gotta find out what kind they were, they sucked :p