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  • Constant Pin Jams

    What is the main cause and the most common cure for constant pin jams on same machines over and over ??

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    Re: Constant Pin Jams

    The main things I would check are how the pins are hitting the pan, they should drop in the center of it and head first and butt first pins should come out at an equal speed, adjust your kidney is necessary for this, also make sure the pan itself is adjusted properly, the adj I've found to work the best is getting it as close to the pinwheel as I can without it rubbing at any point. Also check your clutch, take it apart, clean, inspect and lubricate as necessary. The main problem I see with clutches is the pinion bushing being worn or rough. Make sure it's got some "meat" left on it and smooth it out if necessary. Good luck and keep us posted, these are some common distributor problems, however many many things can and will cause pin piles, so no promises [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]
    All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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    • #3
      Re: Constant Pin Jams

      Eccentric rollers not set up correctly causing distributor to index good at 1,3,2,4 thenstumble on the back row. the normal cause is the rods are not parallel and the stop blade does not lie in line with the back of the clutch.As Rep says many problems and when cured they can run and run and run.Worn worm on clutch causes problems, as does not having a spacer behind the worm in between the front and rear of the clutch.Keep us posted and we will do all we can to help.
      Good Luck.
      Laurie.

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      • #4
        Re: Constant Pin Jams

        All the above and 6" pulleys on the BE gearbox.......or having Vantage super clutches installed on your distributors.

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        • #5
          Re: Constant Pin Jams

          Rep and Laurie are dead on. I would also add, in addition to moving pan back as far as possible without rubbing pinwheel, sometimes making it tilt rear to front as much as possible helps in orientation. When adjusting eccentric rollers, try to make interior tube assembly as parallel as possible with trip rod as it telescopes front to back. Also, what style clutches are you using?
          The impossible often has a kind of integrity to it which the merely improbable lacks.

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          • #6
            Re: Constant Pin Jams

            Originally posted by 82/70 king:
            .... or having Vantage super clutches installed on your distributors.
            <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The SuperClutch is the Devil.
            The impossible often has a kind of integrity to it which the merely improbable lacks.

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            • #7
              Re: Constant Pin Jams

              Originally posted by 82/70 king:
              All the above and 6" pulleys on the BE gearbox.......or having Vantage super clutches installed on your distributors.
              <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL........??????........ [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

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              • #8
                Re: Constant Pin Jams

                If the distributor was running ok then constant jams I would check that the trip rod wasnt worn out. If you have the type with the rollpin the casting gets worn and loose. All the other suggestions are excellent.

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                • #9
                  Re: Constant Pin Jams

                  Unless you know for a fact that the dist is at fault dont forget the that the shuttle can cause dist jams.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Constant Pin Jams

                    Originally posted by 82/70 king:
                    ...or having Vantage super clutches installed on your distributors.
                    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL King!
                    All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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                    • #11
                      Re: Constant Pin Jams

                      <ul>[*]Dirty, worn or bent clutch components[*]Dry/worn pinion[*]Dry stop blades[*]Sloppy or binding trip rod[*]Dirty carriage tubes &amp; rollers[*]Carriage tube to trip rod alignment[*]Cable (or rod) too tight or loose[*]Orientor pan too close or to far from pin wheel[*]Kidney adjustment[*]Pin wheel cleat loose[*]Pin seating rod adjustment or bad rubber mount[*]Pin ejector bad or out of adjustment[*]Dist not centered[*]Bin butt guide shock mounts bad[*]Bent pin guides[*]Double/not shuttling[*]RSC adj's[/list]
                      And, the #1 (and probably most overlooked) reason for pile-ups
                      <ul>[*]Bad pins[/list]

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                      • #12
                        Re: Constant Pin Jams

                        I agree Dutch, bad pins are THE DEVIL. I bet I will halve my calls when we put in the new run.
                        My mom always said there was one crazy person on every bus,... but I could never find him.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Constant Pin Jams

                          Bad/old pins can cause real trouble. Machines will drop them, they'll cause pin piles, etc. Good call as always Dutch. I love new pins, give em a little break in time, the bowlers love em, score well and your calls drop way down
                          All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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                          • #14
                            Re: Constant Pin Jams

                            Posted by TriCityLanes
                            What is the main cause and the most common cure for constant pin jams on same machines over and over ??


                            Main Cause: weak head mechanic, most likely due to
                            1 Laziness
                            2 Poor Training
                            3 Lack of experience
                            4 Laziness

                            Most Common Cure
                            1 Get proper training
                            2 See Ya!!!!!
                            3 Staff an experienced tech to work part time or to come in to train your guys.

                            If you let your place go the way it sounds, then you will only have more problems down the road.

                            You cannot teach ambition!!!!!!!!
                            Pinspotters do not break down when they are not running!

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