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  • MP Chassis

    Ok we have a faulty MP Chassis.

    I'm not sure which model. It has 1 PC board and a red label on the side with 82 070. But I suspect this doesn't really help.

    Anyway, you bowl a ball sweep comes to guard, table comes down to feel for pins but sweep doesn't start when it should. by the time the sweep runs the table and sweep are out of sync. What you end up with is a interlock. The table is about to place the pins on their spots and the sweep is stopped between the 456 and 7 8 9 10 spots. On it's way back to 2nd guard, from the 7 8 9 10 spots. If you know what I mean. C1 and C2 plugs look ok. Any sugestions ?

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    Re: MP Chassis

    It's actually channged now I've tested it again. When on the machine the sweep won't run now from the cams, or cycle. But you can run the sweep from the side of the mp chassis.

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    • #3
      Re: MP Chassis

      Originally posted by hmmmm:
      It's actually channged now I've tested it again. When on the machine the sweep won't run now from the cams, or cycle. But you can run the sweep from the side of the mp chassis.
      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Instructomat...your manager control circuit is grounded. Check M relay and socket. Check A&amp;MC wiring.
      "Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"

      --Kat

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      • #4
        Re: MP Chassis

        if its not instructomat, and it dosent cure it, tell us tho, and well think some more
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        • #5
          Re: MP Chassis

          sounds like your cam fingers/cam is out of whack. Check to see that lug bolt holding cam isnt stripped for the sweep or table. When all else fails, i find that a lunging side kick directed at a troublesome chassis will cure a lot. Or break it. Either way, youre making progress.
          The impossible often has a kind of integrity to it which the merely improbable lacks.

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          • #6
            Re: MP Chassis

            Did you move the chassis to another lane to make sure it is the chassis.

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            • #7
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              If it dosent follow the chassis, and stays in the machine, one possibility could be gear box speeds. If you have westinghouse gear boxes, they have 2 different speeds. If you have a fast sweep, and a slow table gear box, this can happen..If you decide it is in the machine, and not the chassis, I would try swaping the table and sweep gear boxes

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              • #8
                Re: MP Chassis

                The problem move with the chassis. will post back later. I'm going to try some things.

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                • #9
                  Re: MP Chassis

                  I've changed the M relay, that's when the fault changed. When I put the old relay back the fauls stay the same. I can't get the original fault to happen. I'm concerned as to whether the "new" relay was infact new. I suspect someone has been playing musical parts. So I'm going to order some new bits and put them in, just to be safe.

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                  • #10
                    Re: MP Chassis

                    Like Kat says, it might be the socket for the M relay. The terminals could be pitted or you might have a loose solder connection.

                    To eliminate the possibility of the relay itself, I would just grab the relays from a working chassis and go from there.

                    Triac

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                    • #11
                      Re: MP Chassis

                      JimDorsin, You Talkin 'bout 50htz &amp; 60htz?

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                      • #12
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                        If Not Fill Me In,Plz.

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                        • #13
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                          No, The older westinghouse combo gear boxes had a taller roter and were (I believe)14.5. At somepoint they changed to 12.1's. It is a little slower, and the rotor was a hair smaller. Most of the tall rotors have been replaced with the small ones, but the gearing in the worm and brass gear create 2 different speeds. If you get fast on both table and sweep, no problems. Fast sweep with slow table is also ok. But if you have a fast on a table with a slow sweep, you cant get the sweep out of the way in time...Interlock city. I learned this the hard way, in Vermont we had a large mix of both.

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                          • #14
                            Re: MP Chassis

                            Yup, we have a good mix of both, about half and half. Nationals. Only thing to watch if ya have a fast sweep and slow table is your cam adj's. If they get out the sweep will hit the head pin on the way back. And as said fast table slow sweep = interlock city
                            All I want in life is to turn wrenches and climb around pinsetters/pinspotters again :/

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                            • #15
                              Re: MP Chassis

                              I haven't seen where you took a good board from a working machine and put it in that chassis (?), did you try that? Also if you have old relays, pitch 'em...more trouble than their worth. If you replace the M socket, make sure you get the wires as they were on the new socket! Look for bad pins in the C1 &amp; C2A (pushing in when you plug the machine end into them).

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