82-70 not picking up pins

I have a machine that will not pick up a full rack second ball. If I run the table down by hand and close the respot cells it will pick them up without a problem. The respot cells are adjusted right they all pick up the pins right at the top red line. If I run the table down with the cams in the front it still will not pick up the pins, but if I use the cams and stop the table right as the respot cells close and start it back up again they will close tight enough to pick up pins. I can pick up about 4-5 pins any more than that they just slide over the pins. If I tighten the respot rod tight enough to pick up the pins then it will not let them go.

Thanks for your help

[smalltownguy]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

I can't remember for sure, but I believe this happens when one of the springs on the front end break. I think there are 3 of them about a foot long, when one breaks, this will happen.

Anyway, I would check for that

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

all springs are ok

[talkintrash]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

If it is a problem in the respot cells, it might be a good idea to disconnect the links and check each individual respot cell...one bad rsc can screw up all of the rsc's.

[Coors]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

- shorten the main carb-link which is between the 2 & 4 pin. shorten it a turn or two

- shorten the 7/16" bolt which sticks through the end of the sickle finger lookin thing, located above that main carb link thingy.

- look for respot cell that has a bent pivot post, or possibly has a loose or missing screw to it

one or all of the three above should take care of the prob.

[8270_Wang]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

More than likely its a bad or tight respot cell.
Drop each carb link off 1 at a time and see if it picks up the remaining 9 pins. If it doesnt, hook that carb back up and keep going around the triangle till you find the ball cell.

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

I can pick up one pin at a time. I dont think it is in the cell I have taken on carb link off at a time and still couldnt find the bad one

[Macguyver]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

Slow down a minute...Your problem does sound like it's in the respot springs. They may look ok, but have gotten weak. Also the triangular metal bracket that the springs attach to may have the hole elongated where it mounts on the respot arm. If that hole is even a little worn out the springs won't pull on it enough to give pressure to lift a full rack. It's worth a second look.

[Alan Meyers]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

Start with the second item that Coors suggested.

[Flying Elvis]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

Originally posted by Coors:


- shorten the 7/16" bolt which sticks through the end of the sickle finger lookin thing, located above that main carb link thingy.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto what Coors and Alan pointed to.

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[jimrob420]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

(Shifter Link)

[Brunsamf]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

Start from square one using the manual except for two changes made by Stahl's school. Remove bellcrank stop bolt and discard. Adjust the pawl so it just clears the shifter link {batman cam} by no more than 1/32 of an inch. Be sure that rod 2594 is not too tight-.010 and no more or slight drag.

[allan]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

Check the wire way posts for bent one.I one
bent one at one pin area caused this trouble.

[Mark_S]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

Check every rod end and nut and bolt that is inovolved in respot action. Look for the any free movement or aything that is too tight. Many times I have checked lanes my mechanic can't fix and found something just not right. But you have to get in and feel things.

[candy822]

Re: 82-70 not picking up pins

check where the springs are connected in the front of the machine and check and see if the bracket is broken, or welds are broken. where the 3 springs are connected. this has happened to me a couple of times.