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  • I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

    Alright guy's, I'm Old-School,But Could Use A Little Help,I'm on 82-70 Mach.s & On lane 41 I've got A Head-pin that Stands straight up in The Bin About 4-7 Times A Week.In A 80 Lane House this is Really Botherin' Me,Chk. Headpin butt guides for any ir-regularity,All Shuttle adj. Dist. Hiegth,Distance between distributor & Bin,Bin Plate&shock mounts,Pin Holders On Shuttle,& I'm Pretty Good w/ Distributor Allighnment,So It's where i want it to be,Just a few fresh Ideas Would Be Really cool Right about Now,Guys,Please!

  • #2
    Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

    Check the distance between the two trip arms on your dizzy head.
    So it goes.

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    • #3
      Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

      Remove the 2 forward roller bearings on each side on the head pin rails.

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      • #4
        Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

        The #1 shute guide roller brackets must be parallel to one another. If the bottom of the rails are further apart, the pin will tend to stand up as it's fed into the bin. Bend the brackets or shim them until they are parallel to each other. OR, remove the rollers as King suggested.
        "Gun control is the policy of tyrants"
        Rep. Rob Bishop (R-UT)

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        • #5
          Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

          King is on again....Also another option is to lower the head pin guides down...(the top of guides will be close to even with the # 5 pin butt plate).Do this by removing and drilling new rear holes. Both of these mods keep headpin from "fish tailing" and standing up.
          Peanut

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          • #6
            Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

            Stahll's school says to remove ALL the rollers EXCEPT the lower front two closest to the butt spacer. Here we have completely different answers so take your pick. Since King is King, he has to be right.
            Yeah but, We've always done it that way.

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            • #7
              Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

              I've done what Masternut described but I've also drilled a new front hole too. It moves the rails forward almost ½”. This not only slows the pin as it enters the bin but it keeps the pin forward as it seats. #1 pin drops in at the same horizontal angle as the rest. Less wear & tear on the butt guide too.

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              • #8
                Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

                I have also drilled the new hole to lessen the angle the pin enters the bin. You can also raise or lower your dist just a hair, this will also alter the angle the pin falls into the bin.

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                • #9
                  Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

                  Preciate it,Guy's!

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                  • #10
                    Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

                    Originally posted by Dutch:
                    I've done what Masternut described but I've also drilled a new front hole too. It moves the rails forward almost ½”. This not only slows the pin as it enters the bin but it keeps the pin forward as it seats. #1 pin drops in at the same horizontal angle as the rest. Less wear & tear on the butt guide too.
                    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dutch... is that the same mod as we did at the Grand?
                    -- Larry

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                    • #11
                      Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

                      Originally posted by masternut:
                      another option is to lower the head pin guides down
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Little motown ; i second that emooootion.

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                      • #12
                        Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

                        Yet another approach to dealing with this problem is to drill a second set of mounting holes for the #5 butt plate directly above the existing ones. This will lower the plate approximately 5/16 inch, making it harder for the head of the pin to pop up.

                        RR

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                        • #13
                          Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

                          we had a lane where the pin would stand, it was caused by the 2 deflectors the vertical ones mounted to the 2 and 3 pin butts. because one was bent back a bit, the lower pin would spot but the top pin head would then catch on the bump on the guide rails. standing the pin up so it would not spot that pin. adj deflector and its cool now.. had us thinking for a while but..

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                          • #14
                            Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

                            I prefer to lower the #1 rails down about a 1/2" or so. This helps the pin to enter at a flatter angle. Another thing I like to do is to remove the first bearing on the index levers (closest to the belt) on both sides. This lets the head of the pin get down faster and it also will stop any minor hang ups as the distributor moves away towards the three pin. It also helps at the #7 &amp; #10. If you look at Felix's post on Gabfest and look at my distributor you'll see this modification. One other thing you might want to look at is the shuttle itself. If its not comming back fast enough to cut off the second pin, it may be catching the bottom of the pin with the pin holder causing it to pop up. Try adjusting the drive rod one or two turns to pull the shuttle back. After doing this recheck for smoth operation. Good Luck.

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                              Re: I Usually Observe,But now I Could Use A little Help!

                              Gabfest [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]
                              If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again. Then quit. There's no use being a damn fool about it.&quot; -W.C.Fields

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