82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

[HBOwner]

Ever since we have installed out 90XL machines we have one pair that if you foul on the odd lane, you will get a foul on the even lane. The first time it happened we cleaned the ball detector (AMF) and the problem went away, but for only a short period.

Anybody have a possible answer?

Thanks in advance.

Tim

[bpm]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

disconnect the buzzer, it makes the voltage to drop and thus confusing the whole unit.

B

[8270king]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

I think the foul circuit goes through the chassis on the new machines......change chassis and see if the problem follows.

Also check the AMC box for switched wires.

Pull the foul wires off the lane that should not foul in the AMC.....if it still fouls the signal is coming from elsewhere.

Something is possibly wired parallel.

[TheGMan143]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

First stupid question... are you using new (IR) foul lights, or do you still have the old 82-120's? On the old ones, if the photocells weren't reading enough light, a foul on one lane would cause a foul on the pair.

[Kingram]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

Does the odd lane foul when you foul on the even lane??? If not, try to tweak the adjustment on even lane. Are you using the Radaray Plus or do you have the matchbox size version they came out with?

[HBOwner]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

I have the, as I was told, the "XL" version of foul lights.

When a foul occurs on even lane, it does NOT foul the odd lane.

King, have changed chasis, no such luck, problem stayed there. As far as the AMC box, we are a brand new install, no AMC boxes.

Thanks again for all responses. Will let you know what works.

Tim

[Coors]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

if thats the case. look for a dip switch on the foul light circuit board to swap output lanes. if you foul on the even lane, does the odd lane come on?

[Coors]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

Originally posted by Coors:
if you foul on the even lane, does the odd lane come on?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I meant "de udda way around in revoice!"

[JimDorsin]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

Does the correct lane go into a foul cycle?? It sounds like the communication lines from the foul unit to the setter are reversed to me.

[HBOwner]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

Yes, the correct lane (odd) goes into a foul cycle. It also fouls the even lane at the same time. The only time it causes a problem is during open play, yes we use the the foul units during open play. Since most open play bowlers do not observe the right of way, they have a tendency to go ahead and throw with the foul on instead of waiting until the unit delay is over.

Keep 'em comming all.

Tim

[welby]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

i agree with bpm, had same problem disconnected buzzers and it sorted it out.

[BowlEquip]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

OK, here's the "official" report on your problem:
First, all 90XL pinspotters have front end control boxes, which is a junction box between the chassis and the foul units. There is no A&amp;MC box. All front end devices (ball returns, foul, 10th frame switches) terminate at the FEB.
All 90XL pinspotters also come with XL foul units, because they are powered from the XL chassis with low DC voltage (no more 110v).
BPM is correct about the buzzer. The voltage drop, when fouled, will cause the other side's LED to slow its blinking, which sets off the other side's relay. AMF is working on a replacement buzzer which draws much less current. We tested one at the center I worked at. You might want to call AMF tech support and see if they are available yet.
In the meantime, if you need to keep the buzzers connected, you can set the fouls to "Warning Mode Only" from the MCU, so that the bowler on the lane opposite won't lose their spare.
BTW, watch out for machine cycling when fouling. If you step on the line and that creates a cycle, you may have a faulty Front End Control Box (FEB). AMF has a jumper for testing that which bypasses the FEB for foul unit power.

[C90 Freak]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

Try and hot wire your circuit board

Just a guess.

[maister]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

The problem is that the chassis and the buzzer are not both DC. By disconnecting the buzzer, the machine will still go thro a foul cycle and will score correctly without the warning buzzer.Change the buzzer in the unit and it will be ok.Some xl chassis are very borderline and will, because of the drop in voltage , make the even lane foul. Sometimes the removal of the dark lens on the xl cover units can stop this problem. The xl chassis if changed with another lane can clear the problem or transfer it.This i know is fact about the DC / AC voltage and has been around for a while.I would be interested to hear your result please.
Best wishes.

[C90 Freak]

Re: 82/90XL Fouling on both lanes

Or read my signature.