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    I have what seems to be Japan made AMF electric motor's. They have the mechanical centerfugal switches. The electric moter service that fixes these for me cant get these switches anywhere. Are there a kit for these that updated them to solid state ??



    Even a old dog can bury a bone

  • #2
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    Looks Like A Yucky National..<>


    Dutch
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    If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again. Then quit. There's no use being a damn fool about it.&quot; -W.C.Fields

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    • #3
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      Tag say's Matsu****a eletric at the bottom. What ever it is, I need to find a fix for these. Any and All help please !!

      Also anyone have any working motor's that will replace these. I'm looking for a couple
      Even a old dog can bury a bone

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      • #4
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        Just Ordered A Stahl'S (B.E.)Head From Denny Cline....Call Stahl's


        Dutch
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        If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again. Then quit. There's no use being a damn fool about it.&quot; -W.C.Fields

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        • #5
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          Lots Of Combos and No B.E.'s To Spare..


          Dutch
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          If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again. Then quit. There's no use being a damn fool about it.&quot; -W.C.Fields

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          • #6
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            Most all my sweep &amp; table motors are these. I really hoped I wouldnt have to buy all new
            Even a old dog can bury a bone

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            • #7
              Re: motor trouble

              I have these motors as well. I replaced all my mechanical switches with the Cybernetic Solutions combo switch's. p/n 610 309 044

              For the back end motors use p/n 610 309 046

              You can order them from AMF. They are easy to install and have not had any problems with them.

              Mike
              Mike

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              • #8
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                Matsu****a don't make these any more I to have had these nasty little thing ans the only option for these is the electronic start switch. Use stalhl there the bomb.
                They say that the **** rolls down hill but the smell always starts at the top.

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                • #9
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                  The last house I worked were nationals. We converted them all to potential relays, Grainger 6X550. IMO these motors are the best ever made. The BE's run very cool if they have the air baffle in them like the combo's have. Also IMO, no reason to change out the centrifugal mechcanism in the BE,s because they are a very simple design and easy to repair and last a very long time and I'm sure parts are available. I don't know for sure, but I would bet Ed Fox might know.
                  Yeah but, We've always done it that way.

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                  • #10
                    Re: motor trouble

                    Old School:

                    Combo Motors
                    Switch: 785 502 190
                    Mech: 785 502 191
                    Klixon: 785 502 005

                    BE Motors
                    Switch: 785 502 192
                    Mech: 785 502 193
                    Klixon: 785 502 080

                    Or, if you prefer to go the Solid State route, 610 309 042 will work in both applications, or the other switches MCSS listed. I don't know about the potential relays, but if Brunsamf says they're good, they're OK by me!

                    Any distributor should be able to provide all of these for you.

                    Matsu****a is the brand on the motors, but they also market products under the names Panasonic and National, hence they are commonly referred to as "National" motors.

                    While we're on the topic, the most important thing to me about these motors is the output shaft! It is imperative that when you remove the field, you pull STRAIGHT so as not to bend or break the shaft. Stahl's has a nifty little tool for this.

                    The shaft and key, as well as the bore and broach in the worm shaft should get cleaned very well and a film of gearbox oil applied to all before reassembly. This prevents them from rusting together while running and you'll be glad you did it next time you have to pull the field!

                    Good Luck,
                    Chad

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                    • #11
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                      My opinion…the Nationals are the best motor out there. I prefer the Lewus SSSS available from AMF (and also…I believe Vantage) part # 610-309-042.

                      They are very easy to install and work on both National Combos and BE motors. The SSSS will replace the centrifugal mechanism and switch and are much more reliable and cost effective in the long run.

                      I prefer The Lewus over the Quality SSSS. Because, if the Quality SSSS is installed on the sweep, wiring modifications need to be done in the wireway to make the sweep reverse.

                      Triac

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                      • #12
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                        I too love the Nationals over any other out there. They run smooth and cool. Gearboxes hardly ever leak.

                        Except for Cybernetioc Solutions I have just about every SSSS in my center. I like the motor start relay for the wireway. Easy change if it goes out or starts coasting.

                        Mike
                        Pinspotters do not break down when they are not running!

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                        • #13
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                          The majority of our switches are the lewus (orange) style. But tried the Cybernetic solutions and like them better. Even though you have to do some wiring changes in the wire way.

                          The lewus switchs can be a pain to adjust at times.

                          Mike
                          Mike

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                          • #14
                            Re: motor trouble

                            I also have all Nationals and absolutely love them. There are a lot of different SSSS's out there. I use Quality's switches with great sucess. I know people with Westinghouse motors and the Quality's dont work well.

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                            • #15
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                              Clutch Plate, I had Westinghouse motors and the motor did'nt work well,lol.

                              Frank.
                              always doing my best.

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