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  • Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

    I cannot weld. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]

    Who had ever had the frame bust on the spring posts for the spot / respot levers? [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img]

    I have a Jerry rig up my sleeve I will apply here in a minute. :p

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    Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

    I’ve had one break and I can weld. But I elected not to, because I don’t believe in welding on the machinery with a $170,000 scoring system.

    I really didn’t want to bring the whole front end into the shop if I didn’t have to and this is what I did:

    I used an angle bracket (that is used to mount your lower rail assy to the machine) # 000-024-668. Make sure it’s the newer style that has a strap of steel welded 45 degrees.

    This bracket will fit nicely in between the springs. The tricky part is that you will have to drill 2 holes in the bottom of the frame (from the bottom) to line up with the holes in the bottom of the bracket so your measurement must be accurate. If you’re off slightly clamp the bracket down and run your bit up to line the holes. You don’t want any stress on the angle bracket when its bolted up.

    Bolt it up and then drill another hole all the way true the angle bracket and part that broke and bolt it up.

    If you want extra support you can do the same thing on the side of the spring bracket that broke, but I didn’t do this since the weld only broke on one side.

    This field fix has been going strong for 2 years now. The icing on the cake is if this angle bracket were to break (which it probably will some day) you just replace it with another.

    Triac

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    • #3
      Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

      I was going to drill a 3/8 hole in the bottom of the frame and use a 3/8 x 4 bolt to give the bracket support.

      I might have a spare angle bracket.

      I am working the desk alone today....waiting for help so I can repair this machine.

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      • #4
        Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

        I had one break and it is a bit.. to weld in that area. make sure you use an old carpet cut it in half, and put out on the lane to catch any sparks. If you can't weld I bet one of your bowlers can. ask around.
        good luck

        curt

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        • #5
          Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

          I am not sure what angle bracket Triac is talking about but I used the angle bracket for the pit(000-022-878) Make sure its one of the newer styles with the ribs on the inside. All you have to do is drill one hole on each side of angle(to hold green spring)Then drill two 3/8' holes in frame, of course angle already has two holes already drilled in them. Ribbed side faces front of machine.


          Good Luck.

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          • #6
            Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

            They do have a field replacement kit for this bracket. It fits right between the machine, length-wise near the position of the old bracket. No welding or drilling required. I have a couple in my machines. I don't know the PN off hand. I'll look it up when I get to work tonite.

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            • #7
              Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

              Clutch,

              I guess I should have been a little more specific when I said rails. The bracket I’m referring to is the one that mounts to the machine kickback and that the ball lift rail start unit mounts to. It has 2 holes that bolt to the kick back and a nut welded on the 90 degree side.

              The reason I used this bracket is because my spring bracket didn’t break completely off. This bracket fits nicely inside the broken spring bracket with the welded strap at 45 degrees for extra support. Since the original spring bracket is still in tact and in position, the spring tension is still factory.


              Curious though with your field fix, isn’t the spring pressure a little stronger using the carpet angle? Or did you move it forward to create the same amount of tension? Sounds like a good setup if the whole bracket snaps off.


              BG,

              I would like that part number.

              Thanks,
              Triac

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              • #8
                Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

                I had the bracket Triac was speaking of on some old kickback plates.....

                I installed it in about 2 hours....

                SWEET!

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                • #9
                  Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

                  Originally posted by BG:
                  They do have a field replacement kit for this bracket. It fits right between the machine, length-wise near the position of the old bracket. No welding or drilling required. I have a couple in my machines. I don't know the PN off hand. I'll look it up when I get to work tonite.
                  <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">PLEASE DO!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

                    amf has a replacement part for that. the part number is 070-007-761. Break the old one off and replace with this part.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

                      I can weld, but found it's easier to just drill 2 holes in the broken-off plate, and 2 holes in the machine frame where it broke off. Grind off the big pieces of broken weld, and use a piece of 1.5" steel angle to mount it back to the frame. Did a couple like that, haven't had a problem since.

                      In the case of a break during play, you can use a c-shaped piece of heavy rebar that will span between the machine frames... you can hook the springs to it and it'll run for the rest of the day until you can put a permanent fix on it. Not pretty, but it's a fast fix that can get you out of a jam (like not having an open pair).
                      <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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                      • #12
                        Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

                        Had one break in the middle of league once. I removed the springs bent back the braket and jammed a piece of scrap flat metal behind bracket and against the frame. The flat was long enough that it was held in place by the top frame. put the springs back on and presto. This only works of course if the entire weld hasnt broke but only part when the spring bracket is bent forward not allowing enough tension. I got this idea from someone who used a ball lift cage support to do this.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

                          Jerry...

                          I had more than one machine in San Diego that used the fix you described. They held up for years as long as the bolt head goes over the top of the bracket and holds it down.

                          Having the field kit handy is a good thing though.
                          -- Larry

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                          • #14
                            Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

                            Thanks to all.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Weld breaks on the respot lever double spring post

                              Originally posted by lustre king:
                              amf has a replacement part for that. the part number is 070-007-761. Break the old one off and replace with this part.
                              <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is the number.

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