PBL paddle sticking

[otto matic]

I have PBL's and the paddle on lanes 1 and 2 gets stuck quite often... sometimes without a ball even being there... I have adjusted it and got it to not stick without a ball, but if a ball comes in at the wrong time it can't push it out... Any help???

Marc

[Kat]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Define stuck. Is the rudder catching on the filler plate or is the LBS cam tripping, causing the rudder/paddle to snap out of the way? Disconnect the LBS drive rod from the crank plate and move the rudder as a whole unit with the LBS in the "sense" (not power-drive) mode and see if the rudder is catching on the filler plate. You may need to move the rudder arm back or shim the lower mounts for the LBS.

P.S. I'm sure 82/70 King will chime in here about tossing the LBS units into a King Enterprise dumpster or something. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

The LBS is actually a pretty decent unit and does work well when adjusted properly. It would work even better if I can find a winged paddle that held up long enough.

[otto matic]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

no no no... It only gets stuck when a ball comes in now... if the paddle is going in the direction the ball is coming from, it will not push the ball out and the weight of the ball will stop the paddles movement.

Marc

[Kat]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Increase tension on belt tensioner , make sure there's no oil on the belt causing slippage, and lastly, make sure the right belts are on.

Ball lift to tensioner should be 1400 and tensioner to rudder should be a 1380. Another thing would be to check to make sure there's adequate spring tension on the tensioner. Stock setup is the spring rod with spring. I've replaced all of mine with Brunswick long turret adjustable springs so I can dial-in the right amount of tension; enough to prevent atoppage of rudder, but not enought to put excess strain on oilites in tensioner.

[otto matic]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

do you have a part number for that, or do you know where I could get one of those adjustable springs???

Marc

[Kat]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

The adjustable spring is a two piece thing.

There's the spring: 12-400051
and the spring hook: 12-402051

You can get it from any Brunswick parts supplier.

[felix]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Make sure it's getting under the lift. Raise your ball Lift.

[felix]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Originally posted by otto matic:
no no no... It only gets stuck when a ball comes in now... if the paddle is going in the direction the ball is coming from, it will not push the ball out and the weight of the ball will stop the paddles movement.

Marc

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Either your sensor is Stuck in direct drive: pry up on yor sensor upwards slightyly with the clickers positioned down.. (Please Raise Your Lift First). [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

[8270king]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Just for the record....I like LBS.

[masternut]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Kat we use Brunswick springs part numbers
12-400806-002 spring
12-400806-003 hook

Are these the ones you are refering to. They have worked great for us.

[Kat]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Masternut:

I'll have to check with my books at the shop to see exactly what I have. I was going from memory (as bad as it is) on the numbers.

[Kat]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

After researching some part numbers, I've found that Masternut's numbers are correct. I don't know where I pulled those others from. [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Anyways, here's a pic of our tensioner setup. It has the Brunswick adjustable long turret spring. Also, we did away with those pesky snap rings on the lower shaft and used lock collars butted up against flanged oilites to keep the casting from floating. We chose flanged oilites to keep the oilites from falling out like they occasionally do.

[30n70]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Nice Pic. If all of your machines look like this, you have a lot more help than I have! I use all original stuff, maintain it, it works. Any one know of a "wedge" for the paddle to get those occaisional pinheads out of there?

[felix]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

Red Wing Paddle

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By the way; I still haven't found the use for these [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

[Fish Bowl]

Re: PBL paddle sticking

I would hesitate to use a red wing paddle unless they have finally made them sturdy enough not to break.The yellow wing paddle did not succeed and so far I have had to replace at least 4 out of 6 red wings maybe more I lost count.