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    I have Nat's. on my back ends, is it possible to run a Quality SSSS type on it? If so does anyone have wiring instuctions for it? I usally use the orange ball from Luis Electric, but since it's summer and we have no cash flow here I thought I'd try something new.
    There is always more to life, but would someone tell me what it is!

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    Re: B/E motor and ssss

    Yeah I use the Quality SSSS on my BE nationals. The part number is A-110-663-510 and the wiring instructions come with it. Really simple install.

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    • #3
      Re: B/E motor and ssss

      question: nat be motor with lewus ss, motor only hums and rotates slow, turns freely by hand. i recently replaced a centrifugal mech that flew apart and destroyed the original ss. i replaced it with a lewus, checked my wiring per the instructions, and all i can get it to do is hum and turn slowly. did i mis-wire it? why is it doing this?

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      • #4
        Re: B/E motor and ssss

        sounds like you got the run and start windings back to front
        i don't need mods, i am a bloody genius

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        • #5
          Re: B/E motor and ssss

          Originally posted by TABLEJAM:
          question: nat be motor with lewus ss, motor only hums and rotates slow, turns freely by hand. i recently replaced a centrifugal mech that flew apart and destroyed the original ss. i replaced it with a lewus, checked my wiring per the instructions, and all i can get it to do is hum and turn slowly. did i mis-wire it? why is it doing this?
          <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Have you adjusted the set screw at the bottom of the cylinder? Adjust screw in 1/4 turn at a time until it starts up. Also verify that the capacitor is good.
          "Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"

          --Kat

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            Re: B/E motor and ssss

            Tablejam,

            Kat has probably nailed it. I say probably, because I have gotten a few bad ones.

            The way I adjust them is to turn them in ¼ turn in until it just starts. Then I continue turning in ¼ turn at a time until the motor is making a grinding noise (this indicates the start windings are not being removed from the circuit). Keep track of the number of turns and split the difference from start to grinding.

            Very important note…do not make adjustments while motor is running. Make adjustment run motor, turn off make another adjustment…and so on.

            Triac

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            • #7
              Re: B/E motor and ssss

              Table Head,

              The Quality SS work fine…I myself prefer the Lewus SS as they seem to last longer and can be placed upside down inside the motor to prevent getting smashed by DJ’s.

              Triac

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                Re: B/E motor and ssss

                I too prefer the lewus SS. I haven't had one of those go out ever and I've had them on for a year now.
                There is always more to life, but would someone tell me what it is!

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                  Re: B/E motor and ssss

                  Originally posted by triac:
                  Table Head,

                  The Quality SS work fine…I myself prefer the Lewus SS as they seem to last longer and can be placed upside down inside the motor to prevent getting smashed by DJ’s.

                  Triac
                  <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I mount mine in the BE control boxes using a terminal strip and 3 conductor SJO cord to the motor (Hot, Neutral, Start). This guarantees me no damage from anything--namely careless help.
                  "Where are we going, and why are we in a hand basket?"

                  --Kat

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                    Re: B/E motor and ssss

                    I dont feel it is necessary to install SSSS on National B.E. motors. Combos, its a great investment.

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                    • #11
                      Re: B/E motor and ssss

                      Originally posted by Clutch Plate:
                      I dont feel it is necessary to install SSSS on National B.E. motors. Combos, its a great investment.
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with what you are saying. The centrifugal lasts many times longer in the BE than in the Combos.

                      I would never change one out just for the sake of doing it. But if one goes out, I will convert it because of the cost of a new one (compared to the conversion) and the reliability of the SSSS that has proven itself in the Combos.

                      JMO,
                      Triac

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                      • #12
                        Re: B/E motor and ssss

                        Originally posted by triac:
                        </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Clutch Plate:
                        I dont feel it is necessary to install SSSS on National B.E. motors. Combos, its a great investment.
                        <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with what you are saying. The centrifugal lasts many times longer in the BE than in the Combos.

                        I would never change one out just for the sake of doing it. But if one goes out, I will convert it because of the cost of a new one (compared to the conversion) and the reliability of the SSSS that has proven itself in the Combos.

                        JMO,
                        Triac
                        </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Triac, you are 100% correct. If any motor is having mechanical difficulties, install solid state.

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                        • #13
                          Re: B/E motor and ssss

                          I've tried 2 known good SS and tried adjusting it but I still get the same result, slow rotation. I've benched it for a while as I already have a spare so I haven't really got into it yet. But I'm curious to know why it is doing this? Is it the motor or a mistake on my part? I double-checked my wiring with each switch- I must have missed something. The motor did run perfectly until the original mech flew apart so I'm figuring it's just an issue with the start switch I'm trying to use. Did not see any obvious problems with any wires and both capacitors I tried check out ok. I know there is a reason it's doing this, just don't know why. Thanks for any input.

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                          • #14
                            Re: B/E motor and ssss

                            Table Jam, I'm not too sure about the Quality ssss, but I know that ours need to be put into the start winding circuit in a different place than the mechanical switch.

                            The mechanical switch lies between the two start windings of the National BE motor. The ssss has to be at the capacitor end of the circuit - so you break into the wiring there and actually join the wires together where the mechanical switch was removed from.

                            The above is true for the Cybernetic ssss, so I am assuming the same is true for the Quality and other brands too.

                            Ray
                            Ray Jordan
                            Cybernetic Solutions/tenpintec
                            Australia

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                            • #15
                              Re: B/E motor and ssss

                              Thanks Ray, it is a Lewus (orange cylidrical looking thing) start switch, I'm thinking it's wired wrong, try to investigate it more this week tho I'm really gonna be busy.

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