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  • Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

    A friend called me on this one, I'm drawing a blank.

    Here's the scoop, 82-70, Accuscore +, 5 boards with Omega-Tek mk 5 with expanders.

    Every other frame the machine will not detect a strike IE sweep and respot 10 new pins, the scorer posts a strike every frame.

    Weird,

    First frame, strike, scorer and machine function normally.
    Second frame, strike, scorer functions normally, machine feels sweeps and respots nothing.
    Third frame, strike, score and machine function normally.
    Fourth frame, strike, scorer functions normally, machine feels sweeps and respots nothing.

    And so on, I suspect someone goofed with somthing prior to this problem occuring, but nobody admits it of course.

    Same problem with other chassis at the center on this machine so I'm not really fixed on the problem being with the Omega-Tek boards.

    I'm sure my friend would appreciate any thoughts (me too!)
    Please.....follow the instructions!!

    John
    804-240-4982

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    Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

    The cell grounding should make no difference here - strike every time. The pin count data will over ride a cell ground. This assumes you have tried another chassis/board combination.
    Maybe the CWC count isn't getting to the expander board in time - then think SS on sweep. Pay close attention to when the score is out up during the pinspotter cycle to determine a timing problem. Weak spring, SS not making good contact evert time.
    Plus, try a cold start. This would help a timing problem of the CWC sending the data at the correct time.
    Finally, try swapping the EEPROM with another pair.
    Are these expander boards ones with the LEDs showing the pin count? If so, watch WHEN they display the count.
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    • #3
      Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

      is the table wiring gone. Also the table cable?

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      • #4
        Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

        Does the machine release pins into the cups but not spot them?

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        • #5
          Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

          the cell grounding out can cause the problem. Depending how they hooked up the expander. When a Omega-tek goes bad is usually done. On the expanders you can see when the pins are being counted by the LED lights. All table wiring should be taken out of the picture.

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          • #6
            Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

            One time found that a piece a junk had found its way into the little area behind a cell switch causing it to ground. We have also had probs with switch screws backing out causing some probs. Jim #279
            Necessity IS NOT the mother of invention. Laziness IS the mother of invention.

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            • #7
              Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

              We try to diagnose faults for people on the phone quite regularly. It's tough because sometimes people don't describe a problem EXACTLY as it is.

              John, did your friend say whether, when the table respots nothing, it is running down to respot height or all the way down to the deck. It could be as simple as a dicky (intermittant fault with the) spotting solenoid.

              I am almost certain that if you could see the machine for yourself you could diagnose the fault in a matter of minutes. Remote diagnosis is tough.

              Ray
              Ray Jordan
              Cybernetic Solutions/tenpintec
              Australia

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              • #8
                Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

                Well said rrev...excelant point.

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                • #9
                  Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

                  Thanks guys, I'll forward these suggestions on.

                  I'm stumped, but he promised to let me know what is is when he finds it. He's in NY, I'm in Tulsa OK teaching now.

                  Yup, it's hard to do the long distance diagnosis, but this guy is an accomplished mech and has run through the gauntlet.

                  Good points, thanks again.

                  John

                  Jim, I like the healing wall comment, wonder where that came from.

                  Ray, dicky.....love that expression, says it all, LOL
                  Please.....follow the instructions!!

                  John
                  804-240-4982

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                  • #10
                    Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

                    Ray, BTW

                    I received your gift, thanks.

                    I have passed it on to Steve Stafford to show all of his students, I'm sure it will be a hit.

                    John
                    Please.....follow the instructions!!

                    John
                    804-240-4982

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                    • #11
                      Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

                      Bad Lane A board

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                      • #12
                        Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

                        John, keep it. Steve now has one too [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

                        Ray
                        Ray Jordan
                        Cybernetic Solutions/tenpintec
                        Australia

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                        • #13
                          Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

                          Thanks Ray,

                          Double teaming now eh......

                          John
                          Please.....follow the instructions!!

                          John
                          804-240-4982

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                          • #14
                            Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

                            not totally convinced here.it appears that every second frame machine does a first ball cycle.if a normal two ball frame is bowled , does machine cylce normally, if it only when a double strike occurs then something is telling the machine it thinks there is a pin there.e.g.camera, signal top scorer is correct but to machine is corrupt.worth checking CWC and sweep start switch.
                            maister

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                            • #15
                              Re: Machine-scoring-Omega -Tek problem?

                              No, details makes it hard. Sounds like a scoring problem, assuming it's not something simple like the solenoid/sticky shuttle stop bolt etc.

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