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    Hey guys I am not sure what to do here. I need to do some maintenance on our distributors. They just seem “loose” for various reasons. I would like to do some upgrading and maintaining. What do you guys do as far as regular part changing? These things are old and when we have a few consecutive high linage days we have dist calls.

    On regular days we have very few or no problems. They just need some TLC but I am not sure what to do next. Any advice would be appreciated. I am sure I just need to tighten and replace a few things.

    Thanks

  • #2
    Re: Dist maintenance

    As far as regular maintenace on my distributors I clean orienter pans every day. Clean the carriage tubes,eccentric rollers,belt, trip rollers and guide rails weekly. This is a good time to notice any play in carriage and trip rod. If you have the trip rods with roll pins these loosen up over time and can get sloppy causing a fail to index at certain points, usually in the back row. If your carrige is loose the eccentric rollers need to be adjusted for parallel travel between the tubes and the trip rod. Be careful not to over tighten as this will cause the dist. to bind when extending. Check your manual for proper procedure. I clean my clutches every three months. Check for play where the clutch plate connects to the pinion.
    Mainly keep them clean and lubed and look for worn parts and bearings.
    amf has a nice pdf file for distibutor maintenance on thier website if you need one.
    <a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.amfproducts.com/techs/manuals/pins/400088012A_Distributor_Manual.pdf</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a>

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    • #3
      Re: Dist maintenance

      Here's our basic maintenance procedure:

      <a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt" target="_blank">http://www.globalgman.com/bowl/kbtemp/aclutch1.txt</a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a></a>

      As for part changing, the biggest thing to watch for is worn/sloppy alignment where the pinion meets the plate, and worn pinion bushing faces (where it meets the thrust washer).

      Another trouble spot is the stop blades... if they're out of adjustment, you will get 'hangs' and double-feeds on the back row, especially the 9 pin.

      Belt length is another important spot... make sure the tensioner isn't running into the aluminum casting &amp; chewing on the belt.

      Also, watch your trip arms... the aluminum head develops 'slop' where the aluminum casting meets the steel tube, which causes play and misfeeds. We knock the roll pin out, pour in some flowable epoxy, then re-pin, making sure it's centered and straight. When the epoxy sets up, we drill in a 'cross-pin hole at 90 degrees to the original pin, then drive another pin through it to prevent it from loosening and pivoting on the roll pin. Once they're done like that, they hardly (if ever) get loose again.
      <span style="font-style: italic">Educatio est omnium efficacissima forma rebellionis</span>

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      • #4
        Re: Dist maintenance

        A clean distributor is a happy distributor. I have to think only the addition of dirt would allow those plastic rollers to actualy wear flat ridges into steel tubes. I do suggest that when you do a complete rebuild that you use stahls tubes and eccentric rollers. The tubes dont bend, and the rollers have sealed bearings instead of the open style. They dont get sloppy, and with the 2 combined, you can make them a bit tighter and still have free movement in the return. I have a few other mods I emply if you are interested.

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        • #5
          Re: Dist maintenance

          Work on any distributor that has calls.

          If the distributor does not have calls only clean the clutch, o pan, and tubes. Lube the pinion and do not touch anything else.

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          • #6
            Re: Dist maintenance

            Originally posted by 82/30 king:
            Work on any distributor that has calls.

            If the distributor does not have calls only clean the clutch, o pan, and tubes. Lube the pinion and do not touch anything else.
            <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">King is absolutely correct.

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            • #7
              Re: Dist maintenance

              Did a lot of adjusting repalcing and cleaning. I got most of them under control. I do have one that seems to be feeding pins too fast. I know this sounds stupid.

              I was talking to the boss about a reduction pulley so that we could just slow things down on a couple of dist. He did not want to do that because he thought the bins would take too long to fill.

              Let me know you opinions on slowig down the dist/pin wheel and a part number and about price for a pulley.

              I am thinking that we are down to needing a couple of belts. What do you guys think. What are you using, and I know this has been asked but how long are they? I would like a standard measurement so that I am not faced with going off the length of a best where the length is the problem.

              As always your help is greatly appreciated.

              Thanks
              Pat

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              • #8
                Re: Dist maintenance

                Stahls is your answer for slowing down your pinwheel. They have a 5 in pulley along with a B188 belt that will help slow down your pinwheel thus giving your dist more time to index. They are not really that slow in filling the bins. Most leagues will still bowl at the same pace because when the bowlers are giving lane courtesy, the dist will be filling the bin. For dist belts, try the grey Stahls dist belt or the black poly vbelt from AMF. Both of these belts are grippy yet still thin. Thick belts tend to cause the dist problems. Grainger also has 5" pulley available. The part # is 3x917. Good luck with your dist troubles.

                Wang

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                • #9
                  Re: Dist maintenance

                  Originally posted by pat:
                  length is the problem.
                  <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wang is best qualified to respond to this.

                  [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dist maintenance

                    Originally posted by 82/30 king:
                    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by pat:
                    length is the problem.
                    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wang is best qualified to respond to this.

                    [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
                    </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey Jerry,

                    My denist doesnt think length is a problem!!!! :p [img]/content/btubb/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]

                    Wang

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                    • #11
                      Re: Dist maintenance

                      Originally posted by WangJ:
                      Stahls is your answer for slowing down your pinwheel. They have a 5 in pulley along with a B188 belt that will help slow down your pinwheel thus giving your dist more time to index. They are not really that slow in filling the bins. Most leagues will still bowl at the same pace because when the bowlers are giving lane courtesy, the dist will be filling the bin. For dist belts, try the grey Stahls dist belt or the black poly vbelt from AMF. Both of these belts are grippy yet still thin. Thick belts tend to cause the dist problems. Grainger also has 5" pulley available. The part # is 3x917. Good luck with your dist troubles.

                      Wang
                      <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Whole hartedly agree. The Stahls belts come pre cut and laced, so you wont have to worry about figuring the length adjustments for different thickness belts.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Dist maintenance

                        Hey I got most of the problems solved. I also found something about adjusting the excentric rollers. I have always had trouble with this adjustment in the past.

                        I was working on a lane and the dist was at the nine pin spot. I adjected the rollers there. I started with the lower rollers and made sure the stop blade lined up with the clutch stop. Then I adjusted the upper rollers and then made sure the the carrage ran level. This was like I found a way to hit a home run every time.

                        How do you guys adjust the eccentric rollers?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Dist maintenance

                          I make sure my rear lower is a concentric rather than the eccentrics I am finding all over the 30 hour a week part time gig. I then set the carrage tube to be paralell to the trip rod. This is very important in makeing the correct alignment of the stop blades.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Dist maintenance

                            Originally posted by pat:
                            Did a lot of adjusting repalcing and cleaning. I got most of them under control. I do have one that seems to be feeding pins too fast. I know this sounds stupid.

                            I was talking to the boss about a reduction pulley so that we could just slow things down on a couple of dist. He did not want to do that because he thought the bins would take too long to fill.

                            Let me know you opinions on slowig down the dist/pin wheel and a part number and about price for a pulley.

                            I am thinking that we are down to needing a couple of belts. What do you guys think. What are you using, and I know this has been asked but how long are they? I would like a standard measurement so that I am not faced with going off the length of a best where the length is the problem.

                            As always your help is greatly appreciated.

                            Thanks
                            Pat
                            <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As far as the not wanting to use reduction pulley for fear it would take too long for the bins to fill, My argument would be it will take even longer for the bins to fill if the distributor has a pin jam because it's feeding to fast and you have to go to the machine to clear a stop.
                            Who needs parts, I have duct tape and rubber bands.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Dist maintenance

                              I personally don't see a large reduction, or any reduction of game play time when running slow down pulleys.

                              Remember that all you are doing is slowing down is the rotation of the pin wheel. The distributor is still travelling at the same speed, as with the carpet, thus allowing for better timing of the distributor and elevator.

                              They are a good way to help reduce your frames per stop.
                              Bring me the freshest "Mean Green" known to man! Juice on!

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